Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Post by Sylvester » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:09 am

Bhante, you're probably right.

Perhaps the absence of abhisaṅkharoti in SN 12.51, AN 3.23 and AN 4.233 should very plainly and simply interpreted as per AN 4.33 - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

This would mean, as Tilt has been arguing all this while, that the sankhāra in DO refers to those motivators tainted by greed, aversion and delusion.

How then should this intersect with the sankhāra in the 5 Aggregates scheme?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Post by Kumara » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:07 am

Sylvester wrote:Bhante, you're probably right.

Perhaps the absence of abhisaṅkharoti in SN 12.51, AN 3.23 and AN 4.233 should very plainly and simply interpreted as per AN 4.33 - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Quite thorough, aren't you? Anyway, the link is to 3.33, not 4.33.

By "auto-drive" I meant automatically driven by defilements. When w/o defilements, actions still occurs but not generated by defilements. An undefiled mind is not incapable of doing anything, but without the defilements, it naturally rests of among the 4 brahmaviharas, and can only act out of that, which is alobha, adosa and amoha.
This would mean, as Tilt has been arguing all this while, that the sankhāra in DO refers to those motivators tainted by greed, aversion and delusion.
That seems reasonable.
How then should this intersect with the sankhāra in the 5 Aggregates scheme?
That would be interesting to try figure out, but not my cup of tea. Anyway, just to give you something to think about: How about abhisankhara is necessarily sankhara, but sankhara is not necessarily abhisankhara? Happy Abhisankhara!
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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Post by Sylvester » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:56 am

Kumara wrote: That would be interesting to try figure out, but not my cup of tea. Anyway, just to give you something to think about: How about abhisankhara is necessarily sankhara, but sankhara is not necessarily abhisankhara? Happy Abhisankhara!

Not here, Bhante, not here. We should indulge our heresies in another section of DW.

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Post by Ananda26 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:12 pm

Kumara wrote:In Bhikkhu Bodhi's book on N8P, he says that "with a certain degree of progress all eight factors can be present simultaneously". Is that just his view or is there a sutta reference on that?
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