I listened to the following sermon by Ven. Thannisaro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4NR3nn4nfM
Can some one give me the sutta reference?
or
Can you provide the text relating to this sermon?
16 step meditation
16 step meditation
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Re: 16 step meditation
Is this not Ajahn Thanissaro's interpretation of MN 118
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
The Anapanasati Sutta? The ATI version I have linked gives the 4 tetrads. He does bring in material from other Suttas, but this is the basic framework.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
The Anapanasati Sutta? The ATI version I have linked gives the 4 tetrads. He does bring in material from other Suttas, but this is the basic framework.
Re: 16 step meditation
Thanks Sam.
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Can I compare the Seven Factors for Awakening with Five Factors of Jhana as follows.
1)Mindfulness = Vitakka
2)Analysis of qualities = Vitakka
3)Persistence = Vikara
4)Rapture = Piti
5)Serinity = Sukaha
6)Concentraton = Ekagata
7) Equanimity = ?
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Can I compare the Seven Factors for Awakening with Five Factors of Jhana as follows.
1)Mindfulness = Vitakka
2)Analysis of qualities = Vitakka
3)Persistence = Vikara
4)Rapture = Piti
5)Serinity = Sukaha
6)Concentraton = Ekagata
7) Equanimity = ?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Re: 16 step meditation
It is the Anapanasati Sutta, Maybe the first two of Ajahn's treatises found here may help.
If you look at the "Thai Forest Ajahns" section the fifth Book may also be relevant.
If you look at the "Thai Forest Ajahns" section the fifth Book may also be relevant.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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Re: 16 step meditation
The fourth Jhana is characterised by Mindfulness due to Equanimity according to the texts if I remember correctly.SarathW wrote:Thanks Sam.
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Can I compare the Seven Factors for Awakening with Five Factors of Jhana as follows.
1)Mindfulness = Vitakka
2)Analysis of qualities = Vitakka
3)Persistence = Vikara
4)Rapture = Piti
5)Serinity = Sukaha
6)Concentraton = Ekagata
7) Equanimity = ?
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: 16 step meditation
It seems that there is significant overlap between the two sets but they are not entirely equivalent on an item for item basis. However, Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu does say that the equanimity of the seven factors is equivalent to the equanimity of the fourth Jhana.SarathW wrote: Can I compare the Seven Factors for Awakening with Five Factors of Jhana as follows.
1)Mindfulness = Vitakka
2)Analysis of qualities = Vitakka
3)Persistence = Vikara
4)Rapture = Piti
5)Serinity = Sukaha
6)Concentraton = Ekagata
7) Equanimity = ?
Wings to Awakening: Part II (G): The Seven Factors for Awakening by Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu
Thanissaro Bhikkhu wrote: The seven factors for Awakening (bojjhanga) are closely related to the practice of the four frames of reference. The texts use two patterns to describe this relationship. The first pattern is a spiral, showing how the seven factors for Awakening build on the four frames of reference [§92]. This point is reflected in the position of mindfulness — defined as the practice of any one of the four frames of reference — as the first factor in the list. Discernment, in the role of the analysis of mental qualities into skillful and unskillful, builds on right mindfulness and leads to persistence, which in the form of right effort/exertion maximizes the skillful qualities and minimizes the unskillful ones. This in turn leads to four factors associated with jhāna: rapture, serenity, concentration, and equanimity. Equanimity, here, is not a neutral feeling, but rather a balancing or moderation — an evenness of mind — with regard to any feeling or object that arises. It is identical with the equanimity in the fourth jhāna [§149] and with the inherent equanimity in the fifth factor of five-factored noble concentration [§150], which can develop out of any of the four jhanas. As such it can lead either to greater mastery of meditation — as the purity of mindfulness that accompanies the fourth jhāna provides the basis for even more precise analysis of qualities, thus allowing the causal loop to spiral to a higher level — or to the state of non-fashioning that opens to Awakening.
Re: 16 step meditation
If you find Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu's 16 step instructions helpful, you might be interested in some of his other talks about the topic:
The collection of talks suggested to accompany his book With Each and Every Breath includes the following set of talks:
Talks on the Buddha’s sixteen-step instructions in breath meditation:
2002/11: The Steps of Breath Meditation
2007/7/16: Lessons in Happiness
2008/2/11: On the Path of the Breath
2010/10/2: The Breath All the Way
2011/8/29: Exploring Fabrication
2012/2/3: Breath, Tranquility, & Insight
The collection of talks suggested to accompany his book With Each and Every Breath includes the following set of talks:
Talks on the Buddha’s sixteen-step instructions in breath meditation:
2002/11: The Steps of Breath Meditation
2007/7/16: Lessons in Happiness
2008/2/11: On the Path of the Breath
2010/10/2: The Breath All the Way
2011/8/29: Exploring Fabrication
2012/2/3: Breath, Tranquility, & Insight
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Re: 16 step meditation
Yes, I've noticed a strong correlation, which to me suggests that development of jhana is an important aspect of practice. I also find the order of development interesting - in the 7 factors it looks like insight is the foundation for samadhi, whereas in the 4 tetrads the reverse seems to be true ( depending on which interpretation one favours! ).SarathW wrote:Thanks Sam.
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Can I compare the Seven Factors for Awakening with Five Factors of Jhana as follows.
1)Mindfulness = Vitakka
2)Analysis of qualities = Vitakka
3)Persistence = Vikara
4)Rapture = Piti
5)Serinity = Sukaha
6)Concentraton = Ekagata
7) Equanimity = ?
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Re: 16 step meditation
Thanks.culaavuso wrote:If you find Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu's 16 step instructions helpful, you might be interested in some of his other talks about the topic:
The collection of talks suggested to accompany his book With Each and Every Breath includes the following set of talks:
Talks on the Buddha’s sixteen-step instructions in breath meditation:
2002/11: The Steps of Breath Meditation
2007/7/16: Lessons in Happiness
2008/2/11: On the Path of the Breath
2010/10/2: The Breath All the Way
2011/8/29: Exploring Fabrication
2012/2/3: Breath, Tranquility, & Insight
"With Each and Every Breath" is a great article.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”