The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by Goob » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:04 pm

Purple Planet: My friend, by saying "i support the words the monk said in the quote" and "like I said it myself" you are in fact saying that you think that muslim minority groups fabricate stories of abuse and discrimination in order to gain international support and they are in fact advocating a violent state take-over (never mind how completely impossible that would be).

You are most likely applying your own (extremely biased) perception of your own political situation to Burma (which is bad enough) and in fact condoning a potential genocide in a country to which you admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about. Have a think about that won't you..

Also, please tell me how all that relates to how you dislike "Islam" but "like muslims" and how you separate the two.

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by purple planet » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:49 pm

Fine - if its still not clear - I dont know much about burma (but saying this i would appreciate if others would modest about their knowledge too - i did do some reading about the situation ) - so i dont support the monk - i did a bad decision of words - not against him either !

i support the quote of his - thats it - anything i said before i apologize for being unclear im not being unclear on-purpose - i meant to write i support his quote

islam = concept muslims = people who were burn to a world where this concept is and those "muslims" who try to oppose this concept and risk there lives to oppose it and change its meaning - have a much harder time doing so when people in the peaceful west give support to this concept just so they can seem "open minded" and tolerating people when those who get hurt by that are the muslims themselves

to change muslims you dont have to kill them - you dont even have to use propaganda ( which i support but you dont have too) the important thing is to say the truth about the concept and not support that concept just to feel morally superior

i believe we should say the truth about the concept of islam - i fully accpet the desicion not to bad mouth other religons in this forum this desicion has a good reason - but it does bother me that from here and there someone comments as if does who talk against islam are wrong - and i want to balance things out by saying that I PP am opposed to islam - without getting in to detail and that i think that people who attack those who criticize islam are doing something wrong

we are all biased i think western media is pro-islam (and this includes the lame israeli media too)

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by Goob » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:20 pm

islam = concept muslims = people who were burn to a world where this concept is and those "muslims" who try to oppose this concept and risk there lives to oppose it and change its meaning - have a much harder time doing so when people in the peaceful west give support to this concept just so they can seem "open minded" and tolerating people when those who get hurt by that are the muslims themselves

to change muslims you dont have to kill them - you dont even have to use propaganda ( which i support but you dont have too) the important thing is to say the truth about the concept and not support that concept just to feel morally superior
You strike me as a confused young man who has fully internalized the rhetoric and logic of a violent state nationalism. Maybe stop to think once in a while that maybe not all international media are "pro-islam" but that they might be accurately reporting some obvious human rights abuse by powerful militarized states. But then again I'm assuming you come from a fairly comfortable middle class background so why should you have to put yourself in the position of people who have nothing? Your words speak for themselves and I have nothing more to add in this discussion which has been depressing to say the least. In the words of Ice Cube: You'd better chickity check yo self before you wreck yo self

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by purple planet » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:11 pm

As someone who used to be addicted to news ( ! used to! thanks to improvement in my practice ) and read at least one written newspaper a day - and spent at least 1 hour reading news websites - at least ! and seen how the media distorts the little detail - and hides the little detail - those who make the difference that why i know think the media is pro-islam - it has come to the point that whenever you hear 1% of the bad stuff about muslim violence you think its hate when actually its just 1%
for instance i think that the BBC and CNN and absurdly also Israel-news are much more pro-islam then al-jazira - because everyone is so used to hearing pro-islam side whenever something is reported against it even if its facts - everybody assumes that the media is balanced and that they hear the whole story - when they actually hear a pro-islam concept

i do admit that commenting here was probably mixed with ill-will - i still support the quote very strongly - but i guess i shouldn't intervene in something i dont know enough about and i would like others to do the same just in case im right and the media is distorting whatever information we get from burma and we will actually support violence instead of reducing it

i will read your posts if you would like to post again i will just not respond - cause im not the elegant writer and i probably am doing miss- service to my views - just know that i really am a confused young man in all aspects of life especially the dhamma - but as far as media and islam i think my views are built on years of seeing small details get distorted to one side

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by purple planet » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:06 am

OK - i apologize - i guess i shouldnt put my thoughts on islam make me think i know whats happening in ALL of the world

and the fact that things work some way here in israel and in other middle eastern countrys dosnt mean it have to be that way in other places

and to support a quote i need to know the whole story - so i take all i said about supporting the quote and apologize for the bad feelings i made -

I have a feeling that the story isnt balanced - BUT i guess its not my job to balance things out in the price of a chance to be wrong

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by Dan74 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:00 am

Hi PP and everyone!

I think BlackBird was wise in saying that such issues tend to distract us from practice and lead to no positive outcome for ourselves or others.

If anything, it is good to examine how our identity and a sense of belonging shape and bias our views. For instance, PP, I am quite sure that had you been born in the West Bank, right now your views would've been very different. We can examine history and politics and know volumes on the stuff, but be blind to our biases. Israel-Palestine issues are not comparable with the Burmese Muslim issue just because the word "Muslim" that occurs in both cases.

But I find that you are a well-meaning gentle poster who deals with criticism well, so I hope rather than label different views as "anti-Israel", "pro-Muslim" etc, you take it on board and examine the source of your view, the emotional underpinning.

It's a good practice for all of us, I think.
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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by purple planet » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:39 am

Israel-Palestine issues are not comparable with the Burmese Muslim issue just because the word "Muslim" that occurs in both cases.
Hi dan you are completely right and if you look at my last post thats exactly what i said

and to clearfy i did read some articles on burma and it did look very familiar to me and made me get the conclusion that its un-balanced so the un-balanced thing is not purely an emotional response
PP, I am quite sure that had you been born in the West Bank
but this is just one nice example that i just cant let go - its "judea and samaria" and the fact that the media calls it the west bank shows its leaning :twisted: :roll:

truth is i planned to delete my post soon after posting but i already got a response and felt its my duty to defend the position for sake of balance and for someone to say the opposite because no one did - even if it wasnt the right view - and that was a mistake

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by Dan74 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:22 pm

Well, Judah and Shomron are ancient names for the ancient kindoms (that at various times included that specific area) that bear a historic connection with the Jewish people. The area commonly known as the West Bank has had a history prior to the establishment of these ancient kingdoms and certainly since their fall. Unless you believe that it was given by God to the Jewish people for all eternity, these names are just some of the names, not more important than others.
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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Post by purple planet » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:13 pm

The names have a great impact on the minds of people (minds in a non-buddhist way lol) its like malvinas/falklands the name has very strong political implications

the west bank is mainly know that way because the Jordanians named it that way the Jordanians ruled the land from 1948 to 1967 (the british 1918-1948 before them used it as a term for everything that is west to the river jordan which makes sense but its not what we call "west bank" ) so israel is ruling all of israel from 1948-2014 and want to call the land Judea and Samaria (and specifically judea and samaria from 1967) not sure but its logical : that the few jews that lived before British rule in Palestine probably called it in the names Judea and Samaria (of course not combined cause this are two different areas that the Jordanians were the one that gave them a single name) and i would guess that the few muslims who lived in Palestine ( Palestine another name that has political issues) probably also called it Judea and Samaria - so notice that the name that was chosen was that , that the short Jordanian rule that was seen as illegal by many country's has given it

but its a really complicated topic - i just wanted to show the leaning of the media that how jews want to call it A (rightfully or wrongly) and muslims want to call it B (rightfully or wrongly) - and the media calls it B shows it is a bit biased - its not a single reason why i think the media is biased its just another reason which i dont think would have happened if buddhists or Christians would have been involved instead of muslims

feel free to reply dan - i might reply but i am trying to avoid reading this thread - theres a 50% chance that i will do it actually lol so write whatever you want but im not sure i would reply - just saying its not cause i dont have an answer
im taking the liberty to explain myself here cause this thread is derailed already and while in hot topics no one sees it -

Goob you can open a new thread about the same subject maybe and i wouldnt reply to it so feel free to do so - or to open any other thread about burma situation

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