Arahants

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Re: Arahants

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:52 pm

Mkoll wrote:
cooran wrote:Really vishuroshan? How do you know this person is an Arahant?

With metta,
Chris
The only way he possibly could (or anyone possibly could for that matter) know someone is an Arahant is if he had the supernormal power of knowing another's mind. Otherwise it is at best an educated guess, and at worst a cult of personality.

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Hi Mkoll
Not all Arahants have supernormal powers. There are Dry Vision Arahants who do not have supernormal powers.
:)
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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:46 am

Sarath, there are 2 kinds of arahats in this world, one is PANNA VIMUKTI, other one is CHETO VIMUKTI. cheto vimuktika arahats can attain cessation state. not only arahats, some of the lay people also get supernormal powers. you dont actually need a power to identify an arahat. you need wisdom. when UPATISSA n KOLITHA saw ARAHAT ASSAJI, they knew that he's the one they were looking for. coz of their previous skillfullness which they have developed. and rememer rahat never shows their abilities to people. if you have wisdom, you will know.

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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:12 am

please do not use the word DRY for an ARAHAT. they are not dry. all the arahats are supreme. CHETO vimutti arahats have high DHYANA POWER(concentration power). thats the difference. its very rare to have an arahat, and its even more rare to have an arahat who has ASHTA VIDYA(8 SUPER NORMAL POWERS). and its even more rare to find an arahat who has all those powers and who can attain cessation state(NIRODHA SAMAPATTI).

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Re: Arahants

Post by tiltbillings » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:31 am

vishuroshan wrote:please do not use the word DRY for an ARAHAT. they are not dry. all the arahats are supreme. CHETO vimutti arahats have high DHYANA POWER(concentration power). thats the difference. its very rare to have an arahat, and its even more rare to have an arahat who has ASHTA VIDYA(8 SUPER NORMAL POWERS). and its even more rare to find an arahat who has all those powers and who can attain cessation state(NIRODHA SAMAPATTI).
This monk may be an arahant, which would be nice, but by your own admission that is your opinion of this monk. I would suggest very strongly that care should betaken in how you talk about all of this, given that your over enthusiasm could end up reflecting poorly on the monk in question.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:04 pm

i feel that its my duty to tel someone about him so that someone can take his guidence. but i know, evene if i tel about him to so many people, only very few people are staying with him. thats the dhamma. so i will let DHAMMA decide it. dont worry. he has his seclusion. he's not preaching dhamma to everyone. but still he has allowed us to give his dhamma to people.

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Re: Arahants

Post by SarathW » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:41 pm

vishuroshan wrote:please do not use the word DRY for an ARAHAT. they are not dry. all the arahats are supreme. CHETO vimutti arahats have high DHYANA POWER(concentration power). thats the difference. its very rare to have an arahat, and its even more rare to have an arahat who has ASHTA VIDYA(8 SUPER NORMAL POWERS). and its even more rare to find an arahat who has all those powers and who can attain cessation state(NIRODHA SAMAPATTI).
Hi Roshan
Dry-visioned Arahants (sukkhavipassaka) is the English translation unfortunately.
Please see: Page 425
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf


Thanks for the link. But recording 1 and 3 are not complete and stoped half way.
This monk got lot of practical knowledge about Buddhism.
I am sure you know that the knowledge and the wisdom (discernment) are two different things.
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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:03 am

dear sarath, just by listning to dhamma you cannot see his wisdom. you need to meet him, stay with him for a long time. whatever he has said is truth. thrs a problem in the web site.

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Re: Arahants

Post by SarathW » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:21 am

Perhaps you could forward some of forum questions to him and provide the answers for us.
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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:16 am

Dear everyone

please refer some of his dhamma quotes, which i have taken from his sermons.

“WE MONKS GOING ON ALMS(PINDAPATA), “PINDU SIGA” MEANS BEGGING FOR FOOD. WE MUST BEG. BUT STILL, WE LIVE WITH RESPECT”


“PEOPLE WANT TO BE UNUSUAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY SIT FOR MEDITATION, BUT AFTER THE FINAL ATTAINMENT(ARAHATSHIP), THERE’S NO “ME” IN YOU”


“CAN YOU TALK ABOUT KARUNA, MAITREE, WHILE YOU ARE ENGAGING IN JOBS & FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES?”


“WHY DO YOU EXPECT MERITS WHEN YOU GIVE “DAANA”. GENEROSITIY IS FOR LETTING GO OF SELFISHNESS, TO REDUCE GREEDINESS AND TO MAKE THE MIND CLEAN, DON’T WE GIVE ANYTHING IF THERE’S NOTHING CALLED MERITS IN THIS WORLD?”


“IF YOU ARE GIVING, GIVE LIKE “ EKASAATAKA BAMUNA”. HE HAD ONLY 1 ROBE FOR HIM AND HE GAVE IT TO LORD BUDDHA”


“IN DHAMMAPADA, LORD BUDDA CLEARLY STATES THAT BY GOING REFUGE ON HILLS,ROCKS,SUN,MOON & TREES(including statues), WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE LIBERATION FROM SUFFERING, THEREFORE WE NEED TO GO REFUGE ON BUDDHA,DHAMMA & SANGHA ONLY. IT MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO PRACTICE THE PATH ONLY.(4 NOBLE TRUTHS. NOBEL EIGHFOLD PATH..etc) (REF - DHAMMAPADA VERSE 189 – 192)


“SOME PEOPLE KEEP SOME FOOD INFRONT OF A BUDDHA STATUE LOOKING FOR GREAT MERITS ,BUT WHEN A HELPLESS BEGGER COMES AND ASK FOR SOMETHING, THEY DON’T GIVE. WHATEVER THEY DO THEY DO IT WITH LOBHA CHETHANA(GREEDINESS). WITH ALL THOSE DIRT MINDS, THEY DON’T KEEP QUIET, THEY GO FOR MEDITATION CLASSES, AND PRACTICE “MAITREE BHAVANA”. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY?


“SHRADDHA IS NOT A BLIND FAITH, IT’S A DEVELOPING PHENOMENEN, DEVELOPING FACTOR. ITS AN INDREEYA DHARMA/BALA DHARMA. IT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED , IT DEVELOPS WHEN ONE PRACTICES NOBEL PATH. ”


“DON’T CLING TO WORDS, WORDS ARE JUST WORDS, WORDS ARE NOT DHARMA. PALI IS NOT DHARMA, IT’S A LANGUAGE”


“SANGHA” MEANS “SAMUHA(GROUP)”, DON’T TAKE ONLY BIKKHUS. COZ THERE ARE LAY PEOPLE WHO HAVE ATTAINED UPTO ANAGAMI, EVEN IT’S A BIKKHU WHO’S NOT PRACTICING CANNOT BE TAKEN AS SANGHA”

“CAN YOU MAKE OTHER’S MIND PEACEFUL? CAN YOU MAKE OTHERS VIRTUES? , DHAMMA IS FOR YOUR TO PRACTICE”

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bhakti is blind. Do not get to see a next step. It is obscured by delusion. There is no next step. This is okay in other religions, which have beliefs such as Gods, and creation and so on. What we find here is, doing the same thing what they do there. Now, the Buddha is not our savior for us to keep worshipping an image. He is not a son of God either. He didn’t come to send us to heaven. He arrived, noticed dukkha, developed the Magga to end the dukkha, and became free of dukkha. After that, He instructed on dhamma. He is our Exalted Magga-Teacher only. However, He cannot take us across. He could impart deshana, but He cannot teach us. Although there are many teachers, none can teach us, learning has to be done by us. Likewise, the Buddha also had explained, had given advices, had conducted deshana, had exposed the path, but we must ourselves need to tread on it. Then, we think that we could get there by adhering to San°kalpana borrowed from other religions, by conducting all kinds of rites & rituals, putting together offerings, and puja. It would not happen. Why does it not happen then? Because what they have acquired is bhakti not Saddha! Then, bhakti is blind. Do they know the Buddha through that? Do they worship having knowledge about the Buddha? This would not have happened if they had known at least a shadow of the qualities of the Buddha, and the shadow of qualities of Sangha they would not stay there. It would not happen by worshiping them and making offerings to them., as they keep worshiping them continuously, doors will be locked tightly for them."

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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:07 am

DHARMA IS FOR YOU TO PRACTICE AND ITS VERY PRIVATE. DON’T TRY TO SHOW IT TO THE WHOLE WORLD. (VEN VAJIRA BUDDHI)

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Re: Arahants

Post by kmath » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:23 am

vishuroshan wrote: “CAN YOU TALK ABOUT KARUNA, MAITREE, WHILE YOU ARE ENGAGING IN JOBS & FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES?”
What's that supposed to mean?

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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:59 am

dont ask. think about it. whether you can be a KINDFUL person with your duties(family,job..etc) you will know.

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Re: Arahants

Post by cooran » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:15 am

Dear Vishuroshan,

Please don't use capital letters for whole words in your posts - they are regarded as "shouting" .

With metta,
Chris
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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:47 am

Dear Cooran, this is the problem why people dont recognize an arahat as well. sometimes you might see that an Arahat is shouting. there are incidents like that. even JAHAN CHAH/ AJAHN MUN has scolded lay people. it does not mean that they are angry. its their words/how they talk. they are always peaceful from inside.

in this case, dont look at the LETTERS(from outside). Look at the DHAMMA(meaning - inside).

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Re: Arahants

Post by vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:02 am

thos who need the photo of VEN VAJIRA BUDDHI. pls let me know your e-mail addresses. will forward you the photos. or else pls send me a mail on vishuroshan@hotmail.com. i'm happy to send it to you all.

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