Is Mara an actual entity?

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Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by manas » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:53 am

Is Mara an actual entity, or just a personification of the force of delusion that has clouded our minds since time immemorial, and thus has acquired a kind of momentum and energy of it's own, and wishes to preserve it's own 'life', as it were? Or both? If the first, why would any Deva want to hinder folks from getting free from the sensual realm, or free of Samsara altogether? What's in it for them?

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by santa100 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:35 am

Various definitions of Mara from a similar thread.. http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4644

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by chownah » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:56 am

Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by Mkoll » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:36 am

chownah wrote:Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
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Dear chownah,

That was very insightful. Thanks.

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by manas » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:59 am

chownah wrote:Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
chownah
I'm not sure what you mean by that, chownah. It is true that we carry around these bodies, manifestations of old kamma, due to having been deluded (to varying degrees) in the past. But to say that all entities are a personification of delusion, that's taking it a bit too far and / or not in the way I meant it. The Buddha was an entity too, remember. As are arahants, anagamis, once-returners, stream-enterers...

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

(SN 22.97)

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by Pondera » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:03 am

This sutta might answer your question

http://www.vipassana.info/025-nivapa-sutta-e1.htm

"This is a comparison to explain the meaning, this is its meaning. Fodder is a synonym for the five strands of sensual pleasures. The deer feeder is a synonym for Maara the evil one. The Followers of the deer feeder is a synonym for Maara’s following. Wild animals is a synonym for recluses and brahmins."

Makes Mara sound pretty literal.
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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Post by Kusala » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:24 am

manas wrote:Is Mara an actual entity, or just a personification of the force of delusion that has clouded our minds since time immemorial, and thus has acquired a kind of momentum and energy of it's own, and wishes to preserve it's own 'life', as it were? Or both? If the first, why would any Deva want to hinder folks from getting free from the sensual realm, or free of Samsara altogether? What's in it for them?

kind regards,
manas.
Ven. Dhammika wrote an interesting article on Mara --------> The Buddha Meets The Dark Lord http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/07/b ... -lord.html
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He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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