SamKR wrote:Kim OHara wrote:A question for everyone, but especially for those disagreeing with each other:
Where is your "experience" located?
Is it ...
(1) the real colour of the real tiles and cylinder (assuming they existed in the real world) ?
(2) the
real colour of the tiles in the picture?
(3) the
perceived colour of the tiles in the picture?
(4) the
interpreted colour of the tiles in the picture (as per Dave's excellent post)?
Kim
Hi Kim, I would say that "experience" is the direct perception of shades (so, I choose (3)). And, strictly speaking, experiences are not located anywhere. It is because the idea of location (here and there) itself is constructed due to
avijja-based experiences, and therefore location is not primary than the experience itself. Experiences do not happen in locations, rather locations happen in experiences.
Hi, Sam,
Thanks for taking me up on that suggestion.
What I was trying to get at with my question, "Where is your "experience" located?" was that there is a sequence of intermediates between the real objects and the decision about whether they are the same or different, and that each of us may label a different point in that sequence as "the perception".
You have actually chosen two points - (3) just now and (4) earlier when you said, "In my opinion the square A and B have different shades in the image." (We only see different shades by
interpreting them in relation to shadows and contrast, as Dave said.)
It gets worse.
binocular wrote:What color is my avatar? A nice saffron? A wild orange? A dirty orange? Ochre? Depends on the settings of the monitor.
Since we're in digital techniology, it is indeed possible to specify the exact color coordinates of a pixel on the screen. But what those color coordinates really look like, independently of the settings of the monitor - this is not possible to know.
The colour specified by the computer processor is one thing; the colour appearing on the screen is another, since monitor settings vary; the
emotional value each of us puts on a colour we see (dirty, nice, wild, etc) is different ... and after all that, none of us will ever know what a particular colour "looks like" to anyone else because it's a purely subjective experience, purely internal, fundamentally private.
The most we can do is say "this looks the same as that to me" or "this looks different from that" or "this
and this
are both yellow but they are different yellows."
And that's where we return to the OP's illusion: the two tiles "look different to me" but are measurably "the same".
Kim