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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:32 am

{{{sigh}}} I am certainly not going to waste any time with any of the above.
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Re: Shut-down

Post by lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:45 am

You are the one that said we have an uppity black man in the White House, And yet you seem offended by our comments??
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:20 am

lyndon taylor wrote:You are the one that said we have an uppity black man in the White House, And yet you seem offended by our comments??
I am not offended by most of your comments. Simply, I am not interested in engaging the less than nuanced understanding of American culture and politics that has just been expressed.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:26 am

Obama is no more an uppity black man then Bill Clinton and George Bush were uppity white men, my experience is most "uppity" black men want very little to do with white men, which would seem just the opposite of our president.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:41 am

lyndon taylor wrote:Obama is no more an uppity black man then Bill Clinton and George Bush were uppity white men, my experience is most "uppity" black men want very little to do with white men, which would seem just the opposite of our president.
Here you make my point. You may have been here for 45 years, but there is much you do not understand. I am not calling Obama an "uppity black man." I am simply pointing to an attitude that is usually expressed by the epithet "uppity ______" but since that is seriously less than polite, I will not say it. This attitude of what I am pointing to is often what is left unsaid by those who are expressing the unfortunate and inchoate racism and fear of change that is finding rather overt expression at present in our political landscape.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:51 am

Well obviously you're using the n word on a buddhist forum, even if you're refering to what other people say, you're the one that doesn't seem to understand America.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Shut-down

Post by SDC » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:35 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:Kim is spot on. And an example of that is the gun debate. I definitely don't want to have that debate, especialy in the context of DW. It's just to point out that you (the average american, I mean) are so deep in it that you don't realise that you're seen, by foreigners, as like being in a cult. And this applies to war, healthcare, education, barbarian capitalism, religious fundamentalism _ just to name the main ones.
So deep in it that we don't realize? Ha! Of course we realize. We also realize that both within and outside America people are judging us based on this amalgamated character based on media reports. I don't blame you, MP. How else is someone supposed to rationalize a group of people with such strikingly different ideologies? But I am telling you, this "average American" is almost as rare as a unicorn.

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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:07 am

lyndon taylor wrote:Well obviously you're using the n word on a buddhist forum, even if you're refering to what other people say, you're the one that doesn't seem to understand America.
The "n word?" Saying "the n-word," as away of not saying "the n-word," simply makes the reader fill in the blank, which means that in the reader's head, thanks to your use of the locution "the n-word," is the dreaded word itself which is found so offensive. I wonder which is worse, saying the word itself, or saying something that requires the reader to fill in the blank in his or her head?

The use of the word "the n-word," which has a long and very difficult history, along with the adjective "uppity" (giving us an old racist locution) drives home the point about the racism that is fueling much of the present political turmoil this country is going through, which you seem to not at all understand.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:42 am

tiltbillings wrote:Sadly, what is being seen with this "shut down" are the paroxysms of racial fear as the country comes to grips with the inevitable browning of America. The "Tea Party," the "Birthers," those ossified old white male politicians who vowed to make Obama a one term president, those talking heads who insist that Obama does not share American values are all symptomatic of this fear -- a fear driven home by the fact that we now have an uppity black man White House. At great possibility of seriously damaging the US, the fearful ones strive for Obama's failure as if this will hold back the inevitable changes in culture this country is experiencing, moving from a white protestant majority to something quite different.
Let me respond to my own msg here, since it has generated some heat behind the curtain. My mistake here is in assuming that the offending locution -- "uppity black man" -- would be understood within the framework within which it was written. Am I saying that the POTUS is an "uppity black man?"

"Uppity black man" -- or the more graphic way of saying it -- is a well know American racist expression, and I used "uppity black man" directly in a context of those who would see the POTUS in those terms, the Tea Partiers, the Birthers, those who try to cast Obama as being "other," not truly American. I thought my intent in that usage here was clear, but apparently not.

Now, to be clear, I do not see Obama as a "uppity black man"; rather, he is a highly educated, disciplined, skilled man of quality and humor. For those who misunderstood and who disturbed by what I wrote, my apologies.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by chownah » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:54 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:Kim is spot on. And an example of that is the gun debate. I definitely don't want to have that debate, especialy in the context of DW. It's just to point out that you (the average american, I mean) are so deep in it that you don't realise that you're seen, by foreigners, as like being in a cult. And this applies to war, healthcare, education, barbarian capitalism, religious fundamentalism _ just to name the main ones.
I am certainly not a cheerleader for amerika but just to show you how deluded the foreigners in your post are. The average amerikan does not own a gun, is not a religious fundamentalist, does not like war, likes healthcare and education, and knows so little about capitalism that they could not distinguish between its different flavors.

Your foreigner is clearly deluded.

The average amerikan is very nearly brain dead.....just like your foreigner.
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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:11 am

chownah wrote: The average amerikan . . . knows so little about capitalism that they could not distinguish between its different flavors.
And many know next to nothing about the socialism that is also part of this country. Tea Partiers protesting socilaist government interference: ImageFor those of you who do not know, Medicare is the government run health insurance program for the elderly. The hardcore conservative ideologues want to kill Medicare.
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“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by DNS » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:16 am

Moderator note: the inappropriate term, even though it was used in the context of describing how others might want to use it, have all been removed. Let's put an end to that word by not using it. Thanks for your cooperation.

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Post by lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:36 am

Thank you so much, David, sorry to be such a stick in the mud, but that was offensive, if not so much to me as to any other reader.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Shut-down

Post by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:50 am

BuddhaSoup wrote: I'm thinking of exporting my children to Australia or Ireland just so they don't have to live in a country where people carry guns, waiting for an opportunity to start shooting. Crazy, crazy, crazy country, we are, in some ways.
Crazy. Sure; however, spend some time reading the news out of Ireland and Australia.


The gun business in the US is a problem in part because of the fear that Obama, who is not one of us*, is going to take away our guns, and because of this better gun control laws are not going to get passed. And, again, what is driving this is racial fear, which gets played out in the most utterly stupid of ways:


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/fo ... 37793.html


*I suppose I had better add, just to forestall any further unfortunate misreading, that the "who is not one of us" is reflecting the thought of those who dislike/fear Obama and is not reflective of my feeling about him.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Shut-down

Post by daverupa » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:22 pm

Language taboos are fascinating.

I took your earlier point well, tilt, and sympathize with having to negotiate knee-jerk non-racism-as-fixation. Focusing on "don't say the bad words" is something of a focus on the bad words, disallowing them to fall neutrally into conversation - reading research literature on profanity would probably be difficult going for such folk.

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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.

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