What is "truth" and "good"?

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What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by clw_uk » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:47 am

As the title says, what is "truth" and what is"good"?


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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by SarathW » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:57 am

Conventional or unconventional?
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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by clw_uk » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:09 am

SarathW wrote:Conventional or unconventional?

Both?
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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by chownah » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:26 am

The Canki Sutta talks about truth. MN95.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by chownah » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:35 am

Also, MN140 The Analysis of the Properties has this:

"His release, being founded on truth, does not fluctuate, for whatever is deceptive is false; Unbinding — the undeceptive — is true. Thus a monk so endowed is endowed with the highest determination for truth, for this — Unbinding, the undeceptive — is the highest noble truth.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by clw_uk » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:39 am

chownah wrote:Also, MN140 The Analysis of the Properties has this:

"His release, being founded on truth, does not fluctuate, for whatever is deceptive is false; Unbinding — the undeceptive — is true. Thus a monk so endowed is endowed with the highest determination for truth, for this — Unbinding, the undeceptive — is the highest noble truth.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

The deceptive is false, the undeceptive is true.
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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by chownah » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 am

I guess "truth" means "the portion of the body of experience which is not deceptive."
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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by SarathW » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:56 am

clw_uk wrote:
SarathW wrote:Conventional or unconventional?

Both?
Conventional sense:
Anything wholesome to you and others is good. Truth is the dependent origination. (four noble truths, karma, rebirth, Nirvana etc)

Unconventional sense:
Unconditioned is the truth and good. (From the vantage point of conventional sense)
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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by Leon-nl » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:53 pm

“Look on the world as empty, Mogharāja, being always mindful.
Having removed wrong view of self, in this way one will cross beyond Death.
When looking on the world in this way the king of Death does not see one.” - Sn 5.15

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Re: What is "truth" and "good"?

Post by SarathW » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:54 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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