Samma wrote:I see the value of secular Buddhism in questioning myth, and so on. But some criticism not terribly well laid out out like accusing Thanissaro of faith in an eternal atman, self congratulation, rudeness, and the like, often seems to come from spec-non-bud.
I also find them a bit rude, and often the criticism is not terribly well laid out & unclear, but they ask some good questions and make some telling points, now and again. Their suggestion that Thanissaro believes in a "kind-of-soul" has some justification. Do you disagree that Thanissaro pushes the idea of an "unconditioned consciousness"? I just read a translation of his that was very useful, to me, on "body meditation", and am always reading useful translations by him, so I certainly wouldn't support the rudeness, and general criticism, that spec-non-bud direct at him. But, on this one one point, I think Thanissaro might be obfuscating matters, although he makes things clearer many times more than he make things unclear... not many can say that...
Samma wrote:Thanks to those that have something substantial to offer on the translation and meaning front, rather than what seems to be largely grasping at straws or veering off into spec-non-land.
Seconded. Unless you think I'm one grasping at straws
Thanks for the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_%28Buddhism%29
One very good quote from there:
Candrakīrti: “Ātman is an essence of things that does not depend on others; it is an intrinsic nature. The non-existence of that is selflessness.”
Surely Candrakīrti is right here, that is, in implying that postulating the existence of ātman, or ‘unconditioned consciousness’, is undesirable? Doing so provides a basis for attachment and aversion, for feelings like “I must get this unconditioned consciousness”, when there is nothing to get. Not ‘unconditioned consciousness’, not anything else, everything must be let go...
From that Wikipedia article, it seems Paul Williams really likes the soulful "true self" doctrine. Perhaps not surprising, then, that he converted to Roman Catholicism...
Just Let Go,