"The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby Dan74 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:55 pm

Perkele, while this is how it is likely to be perceived my intention was not to "team up against" anyone. Just recently Blackbird and I disagreed rather strongly. This is what happens on these fora a lot and some of it can be useful - we can learn from different perspectives.

Binocular is a frequent contributor and as such is bound to run into some disagreements. I don't think we should take them personally. What do you think?
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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby manas » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:50 pm

Hi Perry

just a suggestion: I don't think your title accurately reflects the subject matter being discussed. 'The Broken Buddha' is a book, and it's neither a scandal, nor is it scandalous. 'Controversial' might be a more fitting term, imo. But really, many of the issues Ven. Dhammika raises are quite common knowledge nowadays. What would be scandalous, would be if he encouraged readers to abandon Buddhism on the basis of these problems - but he does no such thing, and in my case I will disclose that this book spurred me to delve more deeply into, and rely on, the Pali Canon as the ultimate authority in matters of doctrine, with individual teachers' primary role now being to help me understand and interpret it for myself. The end result of reading his book, has been a strengthening and deepening of my conviction in the Buddha Dhamma.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

(SN 22.97)

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby Ben » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:54 pm

manas wrote:Hi Perry

just a suggestion: I don't think your title accurately reflects the subject matter being discussed.


Various threads on the alleged misdeeds of others have been merged.
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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby manas » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:12 am

Ben wrote:
manas wrote:Hi Perry

just a suggestion: I don't think your title accurately reflects the subject matter being discussed.


Various threads on the alleged misdeeds of others have been merged.
kind regards,

Ben


Ah, thanks for clarifying that Ben, I did not know.

:anjali:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

(SN 22.97)

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:42 am

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby form » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:12 pm

I actually told Ven Dhammika personally before I enjoyed reading this book of his the most.

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven. S. Dhammika

Postby JMGinPDX » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:57 pm

poto wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:I have seen, in the USA, Tibetan and Zen groups just as culturaly rigid as the Thai group in the photo and I have seen Theravadin groups as relaxed as the Tibetan group photo. What basis do we use for making a generalization?


I didn't mean to present it as universal.

There are other Theravadin groups locally that are much better and more relaxed. Perhaps I should have mentioned that as well. I didn't mean to represent it as only or all Theravadin groups, just as an example of a widespread problem that exists here and that I have encountered personally.


As others have pointed out, I think it really depends on who is providing the primary support for and regularly attending the center. If the center/monastery serves primarily a Thai or other ethnic group (Burmese, Sri Lankan, etc.) then you're more likely to see those cultural traditions. I attend a Thai Forest center that caters to Westerners primarily (we have a few Thai practitioners) due to the fact that we don't have a large Thai population in this immediate area, and the Thais that do live here likely go elsewhere to practice in a more familiar environment.
At PFOD, we also have the casual dress and less emphasis on ritual offerings and ceremonies, but we DO have an Upasika program where those who have officially taken the Precepts will wear white/black for monastic visits but dress normally other times.
For me personally, this tradition had just enough ritual/ceremony without going overboard, but more than I would find in secular Insight Meditation traditions. As Ajahn Sona said the last time he visited our center "we in the Thai Forest lineage are the least bow-y of any tradition!" :thumbsup:

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Re: "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Postby voitsberg.graz48 » Sat May 27, 2017 3:01 pm

I tried to read "The Broken Buddha". Dhammika is complaining that Theravada scriptures are so dry and boring. But the same can I say about his own writing: complaining and complaining, and citing criminal cases of monks. I just stopped reading.
If Theravada is so bad don't become a monk. He wrote that in Thailand people just give to the monks but don't practice meditation . That is wrong. Just take Suan Mokkh monastery. Half of the month is reserved for Thai practitioners.
What happens to Theravada happens to all religions. After some time they became an empty shell. So create your own path.


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