danieLion wrote: Spiny Norman wrote:
Please show us all one Sutta, just one, where the Buddha clearly taught that there was a permanent Self or Soul.
But is there a sutta where he clearly taught that there wasn't
? In the Ananda Sutta he equates the no-self view with annihilationism, which is wrong view.
Exactly. Given the opportunity to say, "there is no self," he refused.
Nobody can tell an unenlightened, UN-liberated being that there is no self because in the sense of the unenlightened there is a self. Just as the Buddha did not deny gods. The Buddha did not deny delusional entities.
'Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their selves are separate and self-existing entities.
This body will be dissolved
and no amount of sacrifice will save it.
Therefore, seek the life that is of the mind.
Where self is, truth cannot be;
When truth comes, self will disappear.
Therefore, let your mind rest in the truth;
propagate the truth, put your whole will in it, and let it spread.
In the truth you shall live forever.
Self is death and truth is life.
The cleaving to self is a perpetual dying,
while moving in the truth
is partaking of Nirvana
which is life everlasting.
Atta = soul = self
Anatta= not-self = no-self