On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings
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In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?
Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
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The problem is you cannot simply take off your shoe.Gaoxing wrote: It's best to just take the damn shoe off because no matter where you tread it sticks and strings.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Parivatta SuttadanieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?
Paticca-samuppada-vibhanga Sutta
Maha-nidana Sutta
Have you read the Abhidamma?
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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings
tiltbillings wrote:The problem is you cannot simply take off your shoe.Gaoxing wrote: It's best to just take the damn shoe off because no matter where you tread it sticks and strings.
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danieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?
I'd like you to explain this, please.
That sutta only says that form, feeling, perception, mental formations, consciousness - that that which is impermanent, unsatisfactory, subject to change, is not proper to regard as 'This is mine, this I am, this is my self'.
That is all it says.
And several other suttas make the same point.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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Or you didn't read it with enough clarity.tiltbillings wrote:Then you did not make your point very clear in the above msg.
And you'll be there to tell me that?Also, until you reach into the ariya levels, you are going to have a view about "who you really are" whether you want it or not.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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OK so what is self then? Does the Buddha say in any sutta what the self is?binocular wrote:danieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?I'd like you to explain this, please.
That sutta only says that form, feeling, perception, mental formations, consciousness - that that which is impermanent, unsatisfactory, subject to change, is not proper to regard as 'This is mine, this I am, this is my self'.
That is all it says.
And several other suttas make the same point.
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It is hard to read with clarity that which is written without clarity.binocular wrote:Or you didn't read it with enough clarity.tiltbillings wrote:Then you did not make your point very clear in the above msg.
It seems I need not have to worry about it.And you'll be there to tell me that?Also, until you reach into the ariya levels, you are going to have a view about "who you really are" whether you want it or not.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings
I think Dr. Mendis' article is quite clear. There is no self or soul in the Aggregates,nor is there one separate to, or standing behind the Aggregates, in the Teachings of the Blessed One.
Karuna,
Chris
Karuna,
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings
The Buddha doesn't say there is no self in that sutta.
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The Buddha doesn't say there is no self in any of those suttas or the the parts fo the Abhidhamma I've read. Maybe it's in one of the parts I haven't read? Can you cite those parts for me?Gaoxing wrote:Parivatta SuttadanieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?
Paticca-samuppada-vibhanga Sutta
Maha-nidana Sutta
Have you read the Abhidamma?
Kindly,
dL
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Why do you say he doesn't say there is no self? How and where does he ever say there is a self?danieLion wrote:The Buddha doesn't say there is no self in any of those suttas or the the parts fo the Abhidhamma I've read. Maybe it's in one of the parts I haven't read? Can you cite those parts for me?Gaoxing wrote:Parivatta SuttadanieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?
Paticca-samuppada-vibhanga Sutta
Maha-nidana Sutta
Have you read the Abhidamma?
Kindly,
dL
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In AN 3.40 the self is one of our governing principles. In SN 22.34, 47.13 and DN 16, the self is a refuge/light/island. In Khp 8 the self controls. In Dhp 160 the self is a mainstay; in Dhp 165, it is that which we do evil by and that which purifies; in Dhp 379 it reproves, examines, guards. In Ud 5.1 it is our dearest love (fiercely so). In Iti 1.33 it is that which Awakens. In Sn 4.4 it's that which we let go of; in Sn 4.14 it is conjured, swells, and then witnesses the Dhamma. In Thag 3.14 it is that which knows the ways we are born.Gaoxing wrote:OK so what is self then? Does the Buddha say in any sutta what the self is?binocular wrote:danieLion wrote:In which sutta(s) does the Buddha teach that there is no self?I'd like you to explain this, please.
That sutta only says that form, feeling, perception, mental formations, consciousness - that that which is impermanent, unsatisfactory, subject to change, is not proper to regard as 'This is mine, this I am, this is my self'.
That is all it says.
And several other suttas make the same point.
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Can you cite one passage where he utters the phrase, "There is no self?" Those passages you cited don't even come close.Gaoxing wrote:Why do you say he doesn't say there is no self? How and where does he ever say there is a self?
Kindly,
dL