Conditionality of bhavanga?

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Conditionality of bhavanga?

Post by Lazy_eye » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:10 pm


I suspect this has been discussed elsewhere, but couldn't find the right thread.

In the suttas, we have the term "luminous mind" which has been identified, by some scholars, with the bhavanga. I realize this is controversial, but for the same of argument let's assume the luminous mind=bhavanga.

My question is: what conditions it? Or is it non-conditional? (and hence outside the process and not subject to anicca?)

When the Buddha speaks of "mind" being luminous (but tainted by incoming defilements), is he using the term manas? Is this part of vinnana? if not, what is it?

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Re: Conditionality of bhavanga?

Post by santa100 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:38 pm

From Ven. Bodhi's footnote to MN 28:
If, friends, internally the mind is intact but no external mind-objects come into its range, and there is no corresponding [conscious] engagement, then there is no manifestation of the corresponding section of consciousness
And note:
MA identifies “mind” (mano) in this passage with the life-continuum consciousness (bhavangaCitta)
And Ven Thanissaro's different take: ... .than.html

Finally, different views in summary:

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Re: Conditionality of bhavanga?

Post by Bakmoon » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:17 pm

One thing to keep in mind is that the Bhavanga is never explicitly talked about in the four Nikayas, but is something talked about in the Abhidhamma, and so it needs to be understood within the broader context of Abhidhamma.

In the Abhidhamma scheme of classification, the Bhavanga is the type of Citta without any sensory interaction. For example, during deep dreamless sleep, the Citta which arise and cease are classified as Bhavanga. The Bhavanga isn't some sort of thing that just sits inside the mind; individual bhavangas arise and cease all the time. They arise prior to and after the acts of progress portion of the sense process. They are just as conditioned and dependent as everything else.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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