Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher

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Re: Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher

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Hi,

Yes I liked her character & some of her policies more than characters and policies of her contemporaries.
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Re: Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher

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Her main opposition contemporary was Michael Foot who was a thoroughly descent man. The labour party at that time was a great party with policies like unilateral nuclear disarmament and still had a strong connection with the working class. He was systematically smeared by murdoch and thatchers cronies.
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Kinock would also have been better for the UK
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Hi Mr Man,

I think that one of reasons of our disagreement is perspective. Yours was West, mine was from behind of the Iron Curtain.
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Mr Man wrote:Her main opposition contemporary was Michael Foot who was a thoroughly descent man. The labour party at that time was a great party with policies like unilateral nuclear disarmament and still had a strong connection with the working class. He was systematically smeared by murdoch and thatchers cronies.
I may be wrong about Piotr, but people from the old USSR often have an instinctive dislike of anyone to the left of centre since they are associated with the "Communists." Thatcher projected confidence and conviction and many people admired her for that. Though I can think of a few other political figures who did too (one of them met his (un)timely end 2 years and a few weeks ago, for example) and these qualities alone are not enough to earn respect, IMO.
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Hi poitr
That would make sense. I was a 16 year old living in London when she came to power.
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tiltbillings wrote:Thatcher was lucky to have had the North Sea oil revenues to buffer the impact of her horrible reign of conservative ugliness, but England is paying the price now. Alas.
Indeed - and the once thriving mining communities in the North have never recovered . England is paying the price of Thatcher's reign in more ways than one . ...and will probably sink further into recession and hardship for the man in the street, thanks to the present conservative government being totally out of touch with ordinary working people and their needs. I won't even mention the increasing demise of the NHS.....
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Hi Dan,
Dan74 wrote:I may be wrong about Piotr, but people from the old USSR often have an instinctive dislike of anyone to the left of centre since they are associated with the "Communists." Thatcher projected confidence and conviction and many people admired her for that.
This is true for a lot of people from Eastern Europe but I'm more concrete than this (not to mention I'm able to distinguish a social democrat from a communist). For example unilateral nuclear disarmament mentioned by Mr Man would be a disaster for us if it had been carried out.
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piotr wrote:Hi Dan,
Dan74 wrote:I may be wrong about Piotr, but people from the old USSR often have an instinctive dislike of anyone to the left of centre since they are associated with the "Communists." Thatcher projected confidence and conviction and many people admired her for that.
This is true for a lot of people from Eastern Europe but I'm more concrete than this (not to mention I'm able to distinguish a social democrat from a communist). For example unilateral nuclear disarmament mentioned by Mr Man would be a disaster for us if it had been carried out.
Correct. Every nuclear armed state ought to fully disarm, not just one in isolation, but everyone; beginning with those who have the biggest stockpile of bombs. That would put the United States and Russia as the ones with the biggest responsibility to set a good example, and do more 'mutual disarmament' deals. And, instead of pointing at Iran shouting, "look, they *might* have a bomb!!! we will have to invade them!!!" the United States should really take a look at reducing their own arsenal first (not to mention Israel's). A real case of 'seeing the splinter in their neighbour's eye, and missing the log in their own'...(to quote J.C.)

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(edit: when I criticise the 'United States' I am of course not criticising it's people as a whole, but rather, those forces / interests who seem to be steering it in the wrong direction, towards conflicts that do not need to take place. I am aware that there are many individuals in the U.S. who do not agree with what their corporate-controlled government is doing. There are a lot of good, ordinary people in the States whom I respect. My criticism is not addressed to them.)

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Re: Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher

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Iran is a bad country - i really have a full list to explain why but i try to avoid politics - israel nuclear wepon saved lots and lots of lives - even if you dont count israel peoples - it saved the lives of all the people who would have died in a war that 100% it would have broken if israel didnt have nuclear bombs -

I dont have the power to say stuff im not sure of so i wont say nothing about the u.s - but iran is threatening to attack israel - israel is not threatening to attack iran that is enough reason to support country A instead of B - i see this as a basic

and another thing to say we are going to attack iran is more of a threat - a threat that if it would have been said more clearly by both israel and the u.s - this whole story would be behind us - this makes a situation where people who were in favor of "talks" with iran about the subject - only made the likelihood of an attack more real - its a shame more people dont see thing like this - its not even my israeli point of view :

from an iranian point of view - if the u.s and israel would have threatened to attack unitly and strongly - with no talks and extremely strong economic boycot - this was all over - the iranian economy wouldnt have been as bad as it is now ect ect ...
even without the attack option- if the world would have united and boycotted iran as strong as now at the start it all would have ended already - and by the way iran would have 99% would have got a bomb by now - the reason they dont is because of the sanctions - killing of nuclear scientists - mysterious explosions - threats to attack ( by the way the more hard the threats the less kiling boycotting ect .. you need to do - so i think whoever does the hard talk is doing good and all the politicians who try to be politily correct are sacrificing the iranian people so they could look "humane" and not "nationalists"
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Re: Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher

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It may be a good time to lock this thread, folks, before it gets ugly.

I think these issues are not as clear cut as many people in the West think they are. For instance the way things are reported differs widely not just between the US and Iran, but between Western democracies like the US, in various European countries and Australia, hence variations in public opinion and support. Is this much different to the brainwashing we frown at that is happening in other places?
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