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Whats the MO...

Post by Beautiful Breath » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:32 am


I think I have lost touch with why have invested so much effort into establising Jhanas.

How will Jhana lead to Insight?

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Re: Whats the MO...

Post by Zom » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:04 am

Because this state of mind is powerful enough to eradicate unwholesome roots.
No other mind states can do this.

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Re: Whats the MO...

Post by EmptyShadow » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:09 am

For a meditator following the vehicle of serenity the attainment of jhana fulfills two functions: first, it produces a basis of mental purity and inner collectedness needed for undertaking the work of insight contemplation; and second, it serves as an object to be examined with insight in order to discern the three characteristics of impermanence, suffering and non-self. Jhana accomplishes the first function by providing a powerful instrument for overcoming the five hindrances. As we have seen, for wisdom to arise the mind must first be concentrated well, and to be concentrated well it must be freed from the hindrances, a task accomplished pre-eminently by the attainment of jhana. Though access concentration will keep the hindrances at bay, jhana will ensure that they are removed to a much safer distance.

In their capacity for producing concentration the jhanas are called the basis (pada) for insight, and that particular jhana a meditator enters and emerges from before commencing his practice of insight is designated his padakajjhana, the basic or foundational jhana. Insight cannot be practiced while absorbed in jhana, since insight meditation requires investigation and observation, which are impossible when the mind is immersed in one-pointed absorption. But after emerging from the jhana the mind is cleared of the hindrances, and the stillness and clarity that then result conduce to precise, penetrating insight.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... html#ch5.2

I hope this will help you answer your question :reading:

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Re: Whats the MO...

Post by marc108 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:03 pm

In plain English Jhana, in service of insights, allows us to observe the body, mind and heart in the same way the Hubble telescope allows us to observe the universe. Beyond the insight part the states are very healing to the body, mind and heart and allow us to experience extremely pleasant abidings that actually helps us on the path unlike sensual pleasure.

Read through some of the Suttas under the Jhana index on Access to Insight
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Whats the MO...

Post by Samma » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:59 am

Some commentators have suggested that, in practice, this fivefold perspective can be gained simply by focusing on the arising and passing away of these aggregates in the present moment; if one's focus is relentless enough, it will lead naturally to a knowledge of drawbacks, allure, and escape, sufficient for total release. The texts, however, don't support this reading, and practical experience would seem to back them up.


vipassana needs to be teamed with samatha — the ability to settle the mind comfortably in the present — so as to master the attainment of strong states of absorption, or jhana. Based on this mastery, samatha and vipassana are then applied to a skillful program of questioning, called appropriate attention, directed at all experience: exploring events not in terms of me/not me, or being/not being, but in terms of the four noble truths. The meditator pursues this program until it leads to a fivefold understanding of all events: in terms of their arising, their passing away, their drawbacks, their allure, and the escape from them. Only then can the mind taste release.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... etool.html

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Re: Whats the MO...

Post by fig tree » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:06 am

Jhana is said to suppress temporarily the five hindrances, which are also hindrances to clear, valid insight. If one is free of impatience, greed, and so on, it saves one from wishful thinking and hasty jumping to conclusions.

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