dhamma follower wrote:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.htmlThere is the case where, when conviction has arisen, one visits [a teacher]. Having visited, one grows close. Having grown close, one lends ear. Having lent ear, one hears the Dhamma. Having heard the Dhamma, one remembers it. Remembering, one penetrates the meaning of the teachings. Penetrating the meaning, one comes to an agreement through pondering the teachings. There being an agreement through pondering the teachings, desire arises. When desire has arisen, one is willing. When one is willing, one contemplates. Having contemplated, one makes an exertion. Having made an exertion, one realizes with the body the ultimate truth and, having penetrated it with discernment, sees it.
Let's underline this part again:We could have also underline the first part of this passage. The same sutta, but our undertanding can be different. To me it just confirms how much deeply understanding the Dhamma that one hears is important. When there is truly deep understanding, it conditions chanda and the sense of urgency, which condition the mind to be is heedful to be aware of whatever arises now and approach it with right understanding accumulated from hearing and right considering. A totally empty process. In any case, there is always the danger of reading the sutta which uses conventional language with self-view.
You guys are totally confused about the difference between putting effort into the practice as described by the Buddha, which is right effort, and self-view. You conflate effort with self-view and greed.one makes an exertion
"And what, monks, is right effort?
"There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the non-arising of evil, unskillful qualities that have not yet arisen.
[ii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the abandonment of evil, unskillful qualities that have arisen.
[iii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the arising of skillful qualities that have not yet arisen.
[iv] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the maintenance, non-confusion, increase, plenitude, development, & culmination of skillful qualities that have arisen: This, monks, is called right effort."
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