your take on nibbana
Re: your take on nibbana
A translator have no less identity than an human, perharps even more .. but actualy no, humain DNA have much more information than a translator
Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: your take on nibbana
I don't know if it makes much sense to discuss one's "take" on nibbana if one has not attained nibbana.
I will be happy to get back to you when I have attained it. This may take me a few lifetimes.
In the meantime, this is how it was described by one who attained it:
"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."
— AN 3.32
I will be happy to get back to you when I have attained it. This may take me a few lifetimes.
In the meantime, this is how it was described by one who attained it:
"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."
— AN 3.32
Re: your take on nibbana
Yes, I agree. I admit I do have ideas about nibbana but I try not to put much stock into them. Even if my words perfectly match the scriptures my understanding won't.drifting cloud wrote:I don't know if it makes much sense to discuss one's "take" on nibbana if one has not attained nibbana.
I will be happy to get back to you when I have attained it. This may take me a few lifetimes.
In the meantime, this is how it was described by one who attained it:
"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."
— AN 3.32
It is tempting to map some powerful meditation experiences onto nibbana but they may just be an distant echo of the real deal or worse, a fantasy.
_/|\_
Re: your take on nibbana
And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
Re: your take on nibbana
Nirvana is unconditional freedom.alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?
how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
Re: your take on nibbana
well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?
Re: your take on nibbana
Great !alan... wrote:well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?
Job is done
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If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"
Ajhan Chah
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
Re: your take on nibbana
Oh man, i love the easy onesalan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?
how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig
Re: your take on nibbana
In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbanam0rl0ck wrote:Oh man, i love the easy onesalan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?
how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.
_/|\_
Re: your take on nibbana
Well to misquote the lankavatara sutra: They are not the same, nor are they otherwise.Dan74 wrote:In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbanam0rl0ck wrote:Oh man, i love the easy onesalan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?
how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?
Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.
I think i remember hearing a dharma talk where the teacher said something like, "They are exactly the same, but different.
My understanding of samsara is that its primarily a mental disorder and that reality, our natural state, is nibbana. I suppose that reveals my mahayana tendencies
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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig
Re: your take on nibbana
Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick?
_/|\_
Re: your take on nibbana
It's not a teaching of Buddha, but logicaly, void is condition to form, they are interdependant, like all duality.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
Re: your take on nibbana
Yeah, like linchi railing against buddhism, there is no where to point away from it.Dan74 wrote:Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick?
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig
Re: your take on nibbana
DAWN wrote:Great !alan... wrote:well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?
Job is done
49
If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"
Ajhan Chah
nice quote!