He not becomes unweldy, just dhammas cant penetrate it, like a arrow that cant penetrate a castle, like a reflect cant penetrate a mirrow.
It arise, it pass away...
Sometimes, some toughts disapears in the very middle, just like th.....
It disapears like a darknes, when you enlight it with you mind In all suttas Mara goes away, he disapears, in the very moment when he understand that bhikkhu see him...
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what?DAWN wrote:Actualy, this state of mind, when he dont captures nothink, when all that heppens lides down like a drop of rain on the lotus leaf, is very... is very free
When it's like this, the problem is not the mind, but a job that dont let you be released, be free , feel true happyness of calm.
Go forth is the solution.
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Sorry for my english.Cittasanto wrote:what?DAWN wrote:Actualy, this state of mind, when he dont captures nothink, when all that heppens lides down like a drop of rain on the lotus leaf, is very... is very free
When it's like this, the problem is not the mind, but a job that dont let you be released, be free , feel true happyness of calm.
Go forth is the solution.
I would like to say in this post that this state of mind is very free. And when is free like that, the problem is not the mind that is free, but the job that forces us to put the collar back.
When your mind is stops, and boss, or other peoples want to make it run - is not good. So we should not make it run, but go forth, job, friends, all... Just live the simple life.
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This is neither good nor bad, in and of itself.DAWN wrote:to make it run - is not good.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: Thought suppression by Samatha
Yes you are reason.daverupa wrote:This is neither good nor bad, in and of itself.DAWN wrote:to make it run - is not good.
But it can brings suffer to boss
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Re: Thought suppression by Samatha
I don't know in which way your thoughts are suppressed, this can make a difference. It's not about suppressing, but more silencing.
If it's just silencing and your mind doesn't want to think because it likes the silence, that's great. A good indicator of whether you are suppresing or whether it's going well is the feeling you get out of meditation. If it feels good, I wouldn't cut back on the practice as some others suggested, but you may need to learn one or two tricks. A trick is to prepare the mind of what it's going to do. When you are going to do meditation, tell the mind you are going to do meditation. When you are going to work, tell your mind it's time to think again. That way you'll learn the difference between when thoughts need to be activated and when they do not. It may take a bit of getting used to, but this is the way to also tell your mind when to contemplate, to pick up a certain subject, when time is right. It's setting up sati on a specific task.
I found it works wonders. When at work, my mind is in thinking mode on a subject I want it to think on. When practicing meditation, it's not. (in general) It's quite useful and peaceful to be able switch your thoughts on and off.
According to MN20 if I recall correctly, such a control of the thought process is a result of meditation. But yeah, it's beneficial to learn how to program the mind, which in itself isn't the easiest thing in the world, but if you didn't know about this yet, I suggest you try it out. To learn how to do this is also useful in meditation as well, and I would also practice it inside of meditation. For example, telling the mind to pick up metta in a talkative or silent way, or to pick up the body/breath/pitisukkha etc. To pick up the body parts silently or with active thinking etc. Play around a bit to see how this works.
Ajahn Brahm teaches this under the name of "setting up the gatekeeper". It's explained here:
http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books/Ajahn_ ... ulness.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
With metta,
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If it's just silencing and your mind doesn't want to think because it likes the silence, that's great. A good indicator of whether you are suppresing or whether it's going well is the feeling you get out of meditation. If it feels good, I wouldn't cut back on the practice as some others suggested, but you may need to learn one or two tricks. A trick is to prepare the mind of what it's going to do. When you are going to do meditation, tell the mind you are going to do meditation. When you are going to work, tell your mind it's time to think again. That way you'll learn the difference between when thoughts need to be activated and when they do not. It may take a bit of getting used to, but this is the way to also tell your mind when to contemplate, to pick up a certain subject, when time is right. It's setting up sati on a specific task.
I found it works wonders. When at work, my mind is in thinking mode on a subject I want it to think on. When practicing meditation, it's not. (in general) It's quite useful and peaceful to be able switch your thoughts on and off.
According to MN20 if I recall correctly, such a control of the thought process is a result of meditation. But yeah, it's beneficial to learn how to program the mind, which in itself isn't the easiest thing in the world, but if you didn't know about this yet, I suggest you try it out. To learn how to do this is also useful in meditation as well, and I would also practice it inside of meditation. For example, telling the mind to pick up metta in a talkative or silent way, or to pick up the body/breath/pitisukkha etc. To pick up the body parts silently or with active thinking etc. Play around a bit to see how this works.
Ajahn Brahm teaches this under the name of "setting up the gatekeeper". It's explained here:
http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books/Ajahn_ ... ulness.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
With metta,
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that seams far from free, a free mind would not be constrained by what was recollected or the environment.DAWN wrote:Sorry for my english.Cittasanto wrote:what?DAWN wrote:Actualy, this state of mind, when he dont captures nothink, when all that heppens lides down like a drop of rain on the lotus leaf, is very... is very free
When it's like this, the problem is not the mind, but a job that dont let you be released, be free , feel true happyness of calm.
Go forth is the solution.
I would like to say in this post that this state of mind is very free. And when is free like that, the problem is not the mind that is free, but the job that forces us to put the collar back.
When your mind is stops, and boss, or other peoples want to make it run - is not good. So we should not make it run, but go forth, job, friends, all... Just live the simple life.
what you describe sounds something akin to blissing-out to some extent. but not being able to function completely to do tasks is potentially dangerous as there is a huge mental preoccupation which clouds sati functioning properly in other situations i.e. at work or driving a car.
you still need to function outside of formal meditation.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Thought suppression by Samatha
Yes. That i'am talking about.Cittasanto wrote: that seams far from free, a free mind would not be constrained by what was recollected or the environment.
When you stop but someone still to push you in the back. When you have no collar, but you forced to putt it back.
You dont identify with the things that heppens, but you are forced to identify with it, to react, to modify, to act, to think, to remember, to planify, ...
That i want to tell, is that, is not a practice that must be adoptate on job, but the job that must be adoptate on practice.
IMHO
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there is more to do than bliss out. like the part of what I said you quote says it is far from free!DAWN wrote:Yes. That i'am talking about.Cittasanto wrote: that seams far from free, a free mind would not be constrained by what was recollected or the environment.
When you stop but someone still to push you in the back. When you have no collar, but you forced to putt it back.
You dont identify with the things that heppens, but you are forced to identify with it, to react, to modify, to act, to think, to remember, to planify, ...
That i want to tell, is that, is not a practice that must be adoptate on job, but the job that must be adoptate on practice.
IMHO
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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I you wantCittasanto wrote: there is more to do than bliss out. like the part of what I said you quote says it is far from free!
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what?DAWN wrote:I you wantCittasanto wrote: there is more to do than bliss out. like the part of what I said you quote says it is far from free!
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Sorry. I said :Cittasanto wrote:what?DAWN wrote:I you wantCittasanto wrote: there is more to do than bliss out. like the part of what I said you quote says it is far from free!
'IF you want'
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if you want nibbana you don't settle for Jhana aloneDAWN wrote:'IF you want'
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Thought suppression by Samatha
I dont want itCittasanto wrote:if you want nibbana you don't settle for Jhana aloneDAWN wrote:'IF you want'
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you don't aim for nibbana?DAWN wrote:I dont want itCittasanto wrote:if you want nibbana you don't settle for Jhana aloneDAWN wrote:'IF you want'
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill