Hanzze wrote:I guess here one must be carefull not to end as a counciousnessless being or a formless being. What ever he might reject, forgetting the other (or better the whole wheel of co-depending origin).
Internet is alrady a formless loka.
So here we are and still much colors
Maybe just the fine material world. Would there be the perception of color in the formless realms?
Just that! *smile* ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html
BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
Hanzze wrote:I guess here one must be carefull not to end as a counciousnessless being or a formless being. What ever he might reject, forgetting the other (or better the whole wheel of co-depending origin).
Internet is alrady a formless loka.
So here we are and still much colors
Maybe just the fine material world. Would there be the perception of color in the formless realms?
I dont know
Sabbe dhamma anatta We are not concurents... I'am sorry for my english
To know that it is "that form (rupa)" is a delusion of mind (citta).
To perceive that it is that form is a delusion of perception (saññā).
To conceive that it is that form is a delusion of conceit (māna).
To view it as that form is a delusion of view (ditthi).
Just that! *smile* ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html
BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
Ledi Sayadaw wrote: Know, Perceive, Conceive, and View
Those who cannot differentiate the four elements in the head and who do not know that solidity, etc., in the head are elements, know the head as such only; they note it as the head only; they only think that it is the head; and they see it as the head only.
To know that it is the head is a delusion of mind (citta).
To perceive that it is the head is a delusion of perception (saññā).
To conceive that it is the head is a delusion of conceit (māna).
To view it as the head is a delusion of view (ditthi).
Why do you think so? It's about "Know, Perceive, Conceive, and View" and modifyed that there is no additional "Know, Perceive, Conceive, and View" to hinder the message.
Just that! *smile* ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html
BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
I'm sorry, but I think that your changes give a completely opposite message from what Ledi Sayadaw intended, which is that to take concepts such as "head" as real is delusion. I'll leave others to read Ledi Sayadaw and decide for themselves.
In any case, this seems to be rather off the topic Abhidhamma view on colour.
2 In Brief: Great Essentials and Derived Matter. Matter is twofold, namely: the four great essentials, and material phenomenta derived from the four great essentials. These two constitute eleven categories.
3 In Detail: Concretely Produced matter. How?
(1) Essential material phenomena: the earth element, the water element, the fire element, and the air element.
(2) Sensitive material phenomena: eye, ear, nose, tongue, and body.
(3) Objective material phenomena: visible form, etc ...
Bhikkhu Bodhi's commentary on: (2) Sensitive material phenomena.
What is conventionally spoken of in the Abhidhamma as the composite eye, a compound of various material phenomena. Among these is eye-sensitivity, the sensitive substance in the retina that registers light and colour and serves as a physical base for eye-door consciousness...
mikenz66 wrote:I'm sorry, but I think that your changes give a completely opposite message from what Ledi Sayadaw intended, which is that to take concepts such as "head" as real is delusion. I'll leave others to read Ledi Sayadaw and decide for themselves.
In any case, this seems to be rather off the topic Abhidhamma view on colour.
Mike
You are right in regard of the head ("Know, Perceive, Conceive, and View")
And it is offtopic in regard of color but maybe useful in regard of understanding the head ("Know, Perceive, Conceive, and View")
Just that! *smile* ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html
BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_