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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by vidar » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:01 pm

Some atheist quotes from the TV series House MD:

All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)

By degrees, little by little,
from moment to moment,
the wise purify themselves,
as a smith purifies silver.
—Dhammapada 239

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by DNS » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:01 am

Some quotes from the Buddha in Pali Canon and some other Buddhist teachings in other texts:

He perceives the Overlord as the Overlord. Having perceived the Overlord as the Overlord, he conceives the Overlord, he conceives [himself] in the Overlord, he conceives [himself apart] from the Overlord, he conceives the Overlord to be ‘mine,’ he delights in the Overlord. Why is that? Because he has not fully understood it, I say."
(Majjhima Nikaya 1)

If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
why did he give the world
so many sorrows?
Why did he not create
all the world happy?


If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
why did he create
so much deceit, injustice and lies
and fraud in the world?


If God (Brahma) is Lord of all the world
and creator of all life,
then this Lord is evil,
since he created injustice
where he could have created justice.

(Jataka 2, 22, 936–38, Kare translation)

The Blessed One said: "On one occasion recently I was staying in Ukkattha in the Subhaga forest at the root of a royal sala tree. Now on that occasion an evil viewpoint had arisen to Baka-Brahma: 'This is constant. This is permanent. This is eternal. This is total. This is not subject to falling away — for this does not take birth, does not age, does not die, does not fall away, does not reappear. And there is no other, higher escape.'..

..."When this was said, I told Baka Brahma, 'How immersed in ignorance is Baka Brahma! How immersed in ignorance is Baka Brahma!...
(Majjhima Nikaya 49: Brahma-nimantanika Sutta)

To begin with, he considers thus: 'Firstly this mentality-materiality
is not causeless, because if that were so, it would follow that [having no
causes to differentiate it,] it would be identical everywhere always and
for all. It has no Overlord, etc., because of the non-existence of any
Overlord, etc. (Ch. XVI, §85), over and above mentality-materiality. And
because, if people then argue that mentality-materiality itself is its Over-
lord, etc., then it follows that their mentality-materiality, which they call
the Overlord, etc., would itself be causeless. Consequently there must be
a cause and a condition for it.'

(Visuddhimagga, Ch. XIX, §3)

'As far as the suns and moons extend their courses and the regions of the sky shine in splendour, there is a thousandfold world system. In each single one of these there are a thousand suns, moons, Meru Mountains, four times a thousand continents and oceans, a thousand heavens of all stages of the realm of sense pleasure, a thousand Brahma worlds. As far as a thousandfold world system reaches in other words, the universe], the Great God is the highest being. But even the Great God is subject to coming-to-be and ceasing-to-be.'
(Anguttara-Nikaya X 29)

"God truthfully answers [the questions of the Buddha] in succession: 'Good sir, those views I previously held are not mine; I see the radiance the world of God as passing; how could I say that I am permanent and eternal?'"
(Majjhima Nikaya 83)

"There are some ascetics and brahmins who declare as their doctrine that all things began with the creation by God, or Brahma."
(Digha Nikaya 24)

"That Worshipful God, the Great God, the Omnipotent, the Omniscient, the Organizer, the Protection, the Creator, the Most Perfect Ruler, the Designer and Orderer, the Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be, He by Whom we were created, He is permanent, Constant, Eternal, Unchanging, and He will remain so for ever and ever."

"Again, monks, I [the Buddha] approached those ascetic and brahmins and said to them: 'Is it true, as they say, that you venerable ones teach and hold the view that whatever a person experiences...all that is caused by God's creation?' When they affirmed it, I said to them: 'If that is so, venerable sirs, then it is due to God's creation that people kill, steal ...[and otherwise act badly][/b]. But those who have recourse to God's creation as the decisive factor, will lack the impulse and the effort doing this or not doing that. Since for them, really and truly, no (motive) obtains that this or that ought to be done or not be done...."'[/b]
(Anguttara Nikaya 3.61)

"If the pleasure and pain that beings feel are caused the creative act of a Supreme God [Issara-nimmana-hetu], then the Niganthas [Jains] surely must have been created by an evil Supreme God."
(MajjhimaNikaya II 222)

"The universe is without a refuge, without a Supreme God."
(Majjhima Nikaya II 68)

"He who eyes can see the sickening sight, why does not God set his creatures right? If his wide power no limits can restrain, why is his hand so rarely spread to bless? Why are his creatures all condemned to pain? Why does he not to all give happiness? Why do fraud, lies, and ignorance prevail? Why triumphs falsehood, - truth and justice fail? I count your God unjust in making a world in which to shelter wrong."
(J VI 208)

"If God designs the life of the entire world -- the glory and the misery, the good and the evil acts, man is but an instrument of his will and God alone is responsible."
(J V.238)

"Bhikkhus [monks, the Buddha said, holding a fleck of dung on his fingernail], if even if that much of permanent, everlasting, eternal individual selfhood/metaphysical being (attabhava), not inseparable from the idea of change, could be found, then this living the holy life could not be taught by me."
(Samyutta Nikaya III 144)

"The assumption that a God is the cause (of the world, etc.) is based on the false belief in the eternal self (atman, i.e. permanent spiritual substance, essence or personality); but that belief has to be abandoned, if one has clearly understood that everything is impermanent and subject to suffering."
(Abhidharmakosha 5, 8 vol IV, p 19)

The above quotes posted by retro and tilt in this topic:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=11401" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Thank you retro and tilt)

And here is another from the Buddha:

If one could obtain things by prayer or vows, who would not obtain them? For a noble disciple, householder, who wishes to have a long life, it is not befitting that he should pray for a long life or take delight in so doing. He should rather follow a path of life that is conducive to longevity. For a noble disciple, householder, who wishes to have beauty, happiness, fame and rebirth in heaven, it is not befitting that he should pray for them or take delight in so doing. He should rather follow a path that is conducive to those things.
Anguttara Nikaya 5.43

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by Alexei » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:57 pm

Since God is nothing more than our creation and projection, any talk of God is our reflection looking back at us.
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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by DNS » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:09 pm

"I often get letters, quite frequently, from people who say how they like the programmes a lot, but I never give credit to the almighty power that created nature. To which I reply and say, "Well, it's funny that the people, when they say that this is evidence of the Almighty, always quote beautiful things. They always quote orchids and hummingbirds and butterflies and roses." But I always have to think too of a little boy sitting on the banks of a river in west Africa who has a worm boring through his eyeball, turning him blind before he's five years old. And I reply and say, "Well, presumably the God you speak about created the worm as well," and now, I find that baffling to credit a merciful God with that action. And therefore it seems to me safer to show things that I know to be truth, truthful and factual, and allow people to make up their own minds about the moralities of this thing, or indeed the theology of this thing."

Sir David Frederick Attenborough
* From the BBC documentary Life on Air (2002)

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by Polar Bear » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:31 am

People often ask me how they can leave the planet, so I have prepared some brief notes.
How To Leave The Planet
1) Phone NASA. Their phone number is (713) 483-3111. Explain that it's very important that you get away as soon as possible.
2) If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the White House- (202) 456-1414- to have a word on your behalf with the guys at NASA.
3) If you don't have any friends in the White House, phone the Kremlin (ask the overseas operator for 0107-095-295-9051). They don't have any friends there either (at least, none to speak of), but they do seem to have a little influence, so you may as well try
4) If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance. His telephone number is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible
5) If all these attempts fail, flag down a flying saucer and explain that it's vitally important you get away before your phone bill arrives. - Douglas Adams

From The Quotable Atheist, compiled by Jack Huberman
Buddha (born Siddhartha Gautama c. 623--543 B.C.E.), Indian spiritual teacher. Following a midlife crisis, became Buddha at age 35, having already accumulated enough dharma and karma points (and having sat under a tree and vowed not to arise until he had found the Truth). May have been an avatar or incarnation of Lord Vishnu. But without DNA testing...
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it [or because it has] been handed down for many generations [or] because it is found written in your religious books [or] merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything agrees with reason, and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, accept it and live up to it."

"Doubt everything, find your own light."

more from THE QUOTABLE ATHEIST:

An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support- John Buchan (1875-1940)

David Aaronovitch (1954-)

For people with God on their side, monotheists are a touchy lot... In Exodus, Moses gets the tribe of Levi to go with "sword at side" and massacre 3,000 calf-worshippers. And we are supposed to celebrate such a violation of the freedom of worship? . . . Why are they so touchy? The problem is partly that all monotheisms are, by their nature, anti-pluralistic. They've got the one true God, and the very latest valid version of his thoughts. It is asking a lot of monotheisms to coexist with other faiths and views. Paganism, on the other hand, is much better suited to modern ideas of tolerance and human rights. Under polytheism you can choose your own god ivertly.

"twenty times in the course of my late reading, have i been upon the point of breaking out:This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it"- John Adams

Also John Adams:
"In the formation of the American Government . . . it will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of heaven"

Never say Never:
"I trust God speaks through me"----- George W. Bush

Scott Adams- "Nothing defines humans better than their willingness to do irrational things in the pursuit of phenomenally unlikely payoffs. This is the principle of lotteries, dating, and religion"

"If you scratch any aggressive tribalism, or nationalism, you usually find beneath its surface a religious core, some older binding energy or superstition . . . that is capable of transforming itself into a death-force, with the peculiar annihilating energies of belief . . . Religious hatreds tend to be merciless and absolute." Lance Morrow, American Journalist. Time Magazine writer since 1965. Author of 150 Time cover stories.


"Scrutamini scripturas [Let us examine the scriptures]. These two words have undone the world."- John Selden (1584-1654) english lawyer and member of parliament

Captain Sensible (1954-), guitarist and founding member of the punk band The Damned: "How many times have religions of the world been damaged by some discovery or other only to move the goalposts and carry on as before as though nothing had happened?"


George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)- " The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"--------"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means."
"WE Have not lost faith, but we have transferred it from God to the medical profession"
"Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows anything about it, he shouldn't!"

Martin Sheen (1940) I'm one of those cliff hanging catholics. I don't believe in God, but I do believe that Mary was his mother

Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862): asked, as he neared death, if he had made his peace with God: "I did not know that we had ever quarreled."

Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910): I was taught the soldier's trade, that is, to resist evil by homicide; the army to which I belonged [as an officer in the Crimean War] was sent forth with a Christian benediction
"A peasant dies calmly because he is not a Christian. He performs the rituals as a matter of course, but his true religion is different. His religion is nature, with which he has lived."

Tom Tomorrow: "Our basic civil liberties are in jeopardy, but we're going to be spending our time as a society arguing about whether or not schoolchildren should be forced to pay tribute to imaginary invisible beings who live in magical kingdoms in outer space somewhere"

Lao Tse- chinese philosopher and founder of taoism (sixth century BCE) "If lightning is the anger of the gods, the gods are concerned mostly with trees."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)--- "faith is believing what you know ain't so"---" I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious"

Alan Watts (1915-1973)--- "The true believer . . . if he is somewhat sophisticated, justifies and even glorifies his invincible stupidity as a 'leap of faith' or 'sacrifice of the intellect'. He quotes the Tertullian Credo, quia absurdum est, 'I believe because it is absurd' as if Tertullian had said something profound. Such people are, quite literally, idiots--originally a greek word meaning an individual so isolated that you can't communicate with him

Bill Watterson's Calvin (1985-1995) from the funnies Calvin and Hobbes: "No efficiency. No accountability. I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a universe."
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning."


Dr. James Watson: " I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose,' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Hot Topics: Atheist Quotes

Post by Ron-The-Elder » Tue May 01, 2012 10:51 am

Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche
Lighthouses are more helpful than churches. — Benjamin Franklin
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Hot Topics: Atheist Quotes

Post by Ron-The-Elder » Tue May 01, 2012 2:38 pm

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"If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." Selections from the Allen Notebooks," in New Yorker (5 Nov. 1973)
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by David2 » Tue May 01, 2012 3:27 pm

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Chinese proverb

I think this applies very good to Buddhism.
The Buddha taught us how to fish, which is such a great merit, but we still have to do the fishing ourselves.

(Ok, I admit the proverb does not fit in very well with the 1st precept. :P)

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by Polar Bear » Tue May 01, 2012 9:04 pm

More from The Quotable Atheist compiled by Jack Huberman

Jean Rostand- French biologist, philosopher, anti-nuclear and anti-death penalty activist (1894-1977) "Kill a man, one is a murderer, kill a million, a conqueror, kill them all, a God."

Gene Roddenberry- creator of Star Trek (1921-1991) "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."

John D. Rockefeller- (1839-1937) devout Northern Baptist. In 1911, the U.S. Supreme Court held that his company, Standard Oil, originated in illegal monopoly practices (getting secret rebates from the railroads, threatening to bankrupt his rivals, then buying them out). "The good Lord gave me my money."

Tom Robbins- American novelist (1936-) "Human beings were invented by water as a means of transporting itself from one place to another."

Jules Renard- french writer (1864-1910) "I don't know if god exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't."

Richard Feynman- American physicist (1918-1988) " I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong . . . I don't feel frightened by being lost in a mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell."

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by Kare » Wed May 02, 2012 5:59 pm

Not exactly a quote, but rather a comment on the theme of the thread:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... B_20120502
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Re: Atheist Quotes

Post by Buckwheat » Sat May 05, 2012 10:19 pm

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness. ~Dalai Lama
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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