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Merit

Post by Ngawang Drolma. » Wed May 06, 2009 6:02 pm

Can anyone point me to any suttas in which the Buddha teaches about merit?

Thanks! :anjali:

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Re: Merit

Post by kc2dpt » Wed May 06, 2009 6:55 pm

- Peter

Be heedful and you will accomplish your goal.

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Re: Merit

Post by Ngawang Drolma. » Wed May 06, 2009 9:13 pm

Peter wrote:puñña
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Post by retrofuturist » Sun May 17, 2009 1:45 am

Greetings Drolma,

Generally speaking, merit is also synonymous with kamma.

Metta,
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Re: Merit

Post by mikenz66 » Sun May 17, 2009 2:11 am

retrofuturist wrote: Generally speaking, merit is also synonymous with kamma.
good kamma ...

Mike

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Post by retrofuturist » Sun May 17, 2009 8:46 am

Good point

:tongue:

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Merit

Post by Thanavuddho » Sun May 17, 2009 10:48 am

happiness is merit
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Re: Merit

Post by mikenz66 » Sun May 17, 2009 10:20 pm

Greetings Santeri,
Santeri wrote:happiness is merit
I don't understand your statement. Would you care to explain it in the context of some Buddhist source?

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Re: Merit

Post by BlackBird » Thu May 21, 2009 11:08 pm

It seems a lot of time is spent, at least in predominantly 'Buddhist' countries, trying to generate merit, as if merit is some sort of spiritual currency. Next thing you know we will have these Buddhist Merit gurus giving advice to the public at large...

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Anyway, AN. 7.49 - The Dana Sutta, makes for good reading.

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Re: Merit

Post by Dhammanando » Fri May 22, 2009 1:28 am

Hi Jack,
BlackBird wrote:It seems a lot of time is spent, at least in predominantly 'Buddhist' countries, trying to generate merit, as if merit is some sort of spiritual currency.
Merit is a spiritual currency.

For example, for progress in Dhamma to be possible one needs to encounter a faithworthy object — the Buddha, Dhamma or Sangha, or something representing these. Each such encounter will consist in the arising of a sense-door process comprising wholesome resultant consciousnesses (kusala vipaka-cittas — eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness etc.) that have one of the three jewels as their object. These cittas don't arise from nothing, but rather, are paid for by past merit. ("There's no such thing as a free vipāka-citta," as Milton Friedman might say).

Where the currency of merit differs from ordinary currency is that one can't get it by being greedy for it. An act of giving, for example, is puñña only to the extent that it is motivated by a non-greed-rooted consciousness.

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Re: Merit

Post by Individual » Fri May 22, 2009 5:52 am

Dhammanando wrote:Hi Jack,
BlackBird wrote:It seems a lot of time is spent, at least in predominantly 'Buddhist' countries, trying to generate merit, as if merit is some sort of spiritual currency.
Merit is a spiritual currency.

For example, for progress in Dhamma to be possible one needs to encounter a faithworthy object — the Buddha, Dhamma or Sangha, or something representing these. Each such encounter will consist in the arising of a sense-door process comprising wholesome resultant consciousnesses (kusala vipaka-cittas — eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness etc.) that have one of the three jewels as their object. These cittas don't arise from nothing, but rather, are paid for by past merit. ("There's no such thing as a free vipāka-citta," as Milton Friedman might say).

Where the currency of merit differs from ordinary currency is that one can't get it by being greedy for it. An act of giving, for example, is puñña only to the extent that it is motivated by a non-greed-rooted consciousness.
A skeptic might ask, "So, where is this merit collected?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but puñña is also distinguished from ordinary currency in that it is not a limited commodity. How, though, can something real thus impermanent be limitlessly produced? If puñña could be limitlessly produced and puñña brings happiness, how could one even say that life is dukkha?
The best things in life aren't things.

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Re: Merit

Post by genkaku » Fri May 22, 2009 2:02 pm

mikenz66 wrote:
retrofuturist wrote: Generally speaking, merit is also synonymous with kamma.
good kamma ...

Mike
Ummmmm ... you're sure about that, are you?

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Re: Merit

Post by mikenz66 » Fri May 22, 2009 2:35 pm

genkaku wrote: Ummmmm ... you're sure about that, are you?
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Puñña: merit, meritorious, is a popular term for kammically advantageous kusala action. Opposite terms: apuñña= demerit. pāpa= 'bad', 'evil'. The value of meritorious action is often stressed, e.g., in the Treasure Store Sutta see: Khp. Tr., Dhp 18, 118, 122. - The Community of Noble Bhikkhus ariya-sangha the third Refuge see: ti-sarana is said to be;the incomparable field of merit in the world; anuttaram, puññakkhettam see: anussati 3. The Arahats, however, having transcended all life-affirming and rebirth-producing actions, are said to be;beyond merit and demerit;; see Sn. 520, 547, 636, 790. - See foll. 3 articles.

Puññābhisankhāra: 'meritorious kammic-constructions' of the sense-and fine-material sphere; see: sankhāra I. 1.

Puññā-dhārā: 'streams of merit'. It is said that one produces 4 streams of merit by offering the 4 requisites robes, foodfood, dwelling, medicine to a Bhikkhu who has reached the conditionless deliverance of mind; further by being filled with unshakable faith in the Buddha, his doctrine and community of disciples, and by being perfect in morality A. IV, 51, 52. A. VIII, 39 describes 4 further streams of merit.

Puñña-kiriya-vatthu: 'bases of meritorious action'. In the suttas, 3 are mentioned consisting of giving generosity; dāna-maya-p of morality sīla-maya-p and of mental development meditation; bhāvanā-maya-p. See D. 33; It. 60; expl. in A. VIII, 36.

Commentaries have a list of ten dasa p which is very popular in Buddhist countries: 1-3 as above, 4 reverence apaciti5 service veyyāvacca 6 transference of merit pattānuppadāna 7 rejoicing in others' merit abbhānumodana 8 expounding the Doctrine desanā 9 listening to the Doctrine savana 10 straightening one's right views rectification of views; ditthujukamma - Expl. in Atthasālini Tr. 209ff.

See 'The Advantages of Merit', by Bhikkhu Khantipalo BODHI LEAVES B. 38.
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Re: Merit

Post by genkaku » Fri May 22, 2009 3:27 pm

Thanks Mike.

And your experience dovetails with this?

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Re: Merit

Post by MMK23 » Fri May 22, 2009 3:34 pm

Individual wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but puñña is also distinguished from ordinary currency in that it is not a limited commodity. How, though, can something real thus impermanent be limitlessly produced? If puñña could be limitlessly produced and puñña brings happiness, how could one even say that life is dukkha?


Great
question, Individual :-) And the metaphysics of that inquiry, applied to many different aspects of the buddhadhamma, give us really awesome things to think about. Let me know if come up with an answer for your question :-)

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