rowboat wrote:It's pretty disappointing but not very surprising to see that there is so little understanding of gender issues among the men at this website. The discourse here is at the level one would expect to find within military culture.

rowboat wrote:It's pretty disappointing but not very surprising to see that there is so little understanding of gender issues among the men at this website. The discourse here is at the level one would expect to find within military culture.
how is it recent? poetry, art and the like are not exclusive female domains, and certainly express emotion.Fede wrote:that they have expressed them warmly, equilaterally and positively, is unfortunately again, a recent phenomenon.
Once upon a time in the not so dim and distant past, to have admitted to, or expressed such feelings, would have resulted in ostracism and ridicule.
Then, when men began to, 'open up' it was referred to as 'being in touch with their feminine side'......
that's an interesting point, don't you think?
when you are demonstrating these feelings toward men, this question is a joke, and another generalisation.then why do these feelings - against women - persist in so called intelligent cultures?
where?Can you not see, or understand how offended we are that as your equals in life, we are still systematically being subjected to such treatment?
how can men be held responsible for the third world countries? and where are men being overbearing and authoritarian in the west?Broaden your view... I'm condemning the treatment of women in what we term to be third-world cultures, but also deploring western male attitudes to women, as being overbearing and authoritarian.
It goes on, it persists and it's unacceptable.
cruelty to animals makes more headlines, and causes greater outcry that current global treatment of women today.
we are not in they year 1012 but 2012 and in the west for the most part, I have not seen any condemnation here except from the three mentioned, and these examples are weak generalisations, and when a woman actually said to hold on think for a moment, she was turned on disrespected with misrepresented.And what collective crime have women been guilty of that you could hold us up to the same condemnation?
so far, in history, it seems our main crime has to have been women.....
you did say this (emphasis added in these quotes from other posts)Look at this thread.
Two people have spoken up 'for' the sentiments expressed here.
Look at how bristling and defensive, and offended the men have been, and have leapt to their own defence and condemned my arguments as mere spite and hostility
you are saying there is no resentment here? according to http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/spite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; they are related words and they do seam to be different angles of the same thing.Yet the moment a woman complains - in a location frequented mostly by men - that they feel justified in resenting the male race for this treatment, there is always one that says 'women can be just as bad'.
were these sentiments and suspicions about how nice men are in general or a damn the many due to the few?Why is it then, that every time i feel i am beginning to conquer my emotional aversion to the male of the species - some dominating, arrogant, heavy-handed male chauvinist comes along, scuppers my practice and spoils it all, by proving my previous sentiments and suspicions, right?
don't you see the general attitude men have to deal with each and every day in society? if you believe this is a one way thing where women are pure and blameless, you are wrong.don't you see what women are up against in general, by the mere inclusion of those posts?
this is a cross-section and general consensus of opinion of society, condensed into a forum.....
Don't you guys get it - ?!
You see, the system works.Vepacitta wrote:test
First and foremost you have not experienced what you have not experienced, and unless you are over 1000 years old you only have a gripe with your perceived injustices you have internalised, you have not experienced them!Fede wrote:read the book.
first and foremost, read the book.
then defend mankind's inhumanity towards his constant partner.
both in the past, and in the present, both in the west and elsewhere.
You see, until men have systematically known millennia of persecution simply because of their gender, to the same extent women have known it, they will always cry foul, protest and never understand.
much of your post is factually inaccurate, Cittasanto, and therefore, I would simply recommend you broaden your research.
I have not directed my posts at any men, other than to name them as people I am responding to.David N. Snyder wrote:There is no question that women have been mistreated over the past several thousands of years or more. I think some men here may be posting in a defensive way because they feel the OP and other posts are directed at them. But I don't think it necessarily is directed at all men.
you're right.But the good news in all this is that I think it could (hopefully) mostly become a moot issue soon. Women are out-performing men in so many areas, including college graduation rates, numbers of college graduates and it is at all levels, bachelor's, master's and doctorates. The future CEOs and leaders will be women. More egalitiarianism is coming to religious institutions, including Buddhist ones, such as the bhikkhuni ordinations in our Theravada, etc.
Just google gender or male female college graduation and you will see so many results. The future looks bright for women and men and egalitarianism.
boy, you really, REALLY do NOT get it, do you?Cittasanto wrote: First and foremost you have not experienced what you have not experienced, and unless you are over 1000 years old you only have a gripe with your perceived injustices you have internalised, you have not experienced them!
and if there is inaccuracies in my post prove them wrong, show how they are wrong!
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