THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BUDDHIST COSMOLOGY
"Now there comes a time, Vasettha, when after a long period of time
this world contracts. When the world contracts beings are for the
most part born in the realm of Radiance There they exist made of
mind, feeding on joy, self-luminous, moving through the air,
constantly beautiful; thus they remain for a long, long time.
Now there
comes a time, Vasettha, when after a long period of time this world
expands. When the world expands beings for the most part fall from
the realm of Radiance and come here [to this realm]; and they exist
made of mind, feeding on joy, self-luminous, moving through the
air, constantly beautiful; thus they remain for a long, long
time." (1)
This striking and evocative passage introduces the well-known
account of the evolution of the world and human society found in the
Agganna-sutta of the Pali Digha Nikaya.(2) It marks the beginning of
a particular line of thought within Buddhist tradition concerning
the world and its cycles of expansion and contraction. It is this
line of thought that I wish to investigate in the present article.
....
The assimilation of cosmology and psychology
found in early Buddhist thought and developed in the Abhidharma must
be seen in this context to be fully understood and appreciated. I
can do no better than to finish with the words of the Buddha:
"That the end of the world . . . is to be known, seen or reached by
travelling -- that I do not say. . . . And yet I do not say that one
makes an end of suffering without reaching the end of the world.
Rather, in this fathom-long body, with its consciousness and mind, I
declare the world, the arising of the world, the ceasing of the
world and the way leading to the ceasing of the world." (80)
From: Cosmology and meditation: from the Agganna-Sutta to the Mahayana. (Buddhism)
Rupert Gethin
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-EPT/rupert.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Link isn't working.
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Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Is this sutta found in The Tipitaka or The Pali Canon?From: Cosmology and meditation: from the Agganna-Sutta to the Mahayana. (Buddhism)
Rupert Gethin
If not, what is the point of investigation?
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
It's in Dīgha-nikāya.
Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Yes, DN 27.piotr wrote:It's in Dīgha-nikāya.
And I don't recall being able to find an English translation in any of the on-line sources I know about.
Like quite a few interesting suttas... One shouldn't assume that sites like Access to Insight are comprehensive.
Mike
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Here is Gethin's article from another source:
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha190.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mike
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha190.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mike
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Here's translation of Aggañña-sutta by T. W. Rhys Davids (1899)
http://www.buddhistlibraryonline.net/en ... ganna.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistlibraryonline.net/en ... ganna.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Thanks!
Mike
Mike
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
BTW, if I remember correctly, our venerable Dhammanando once wrote about this essay: “Excellent article by Rupert Gethin!”
Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...
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Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Here is Walshe's translation: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/religion/f2 ... asutta.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;mikenz66 wrote:Yes, DN 27.piotr wrote:It's in Dīgha-nikāya.
And I don't recall being able to find an English translation in any of the on-line sources I know about.
Like quite a few interesting suttas... One shouldn't assume that sites like Access to Insight are comprehensive.
Mike
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
What is the purpose of this thread?
Cosmology is meaningless. That is the point of the "fathom-long body" quote.
Cosmology is meaningless. That is the point of the "fathom-long body" quote.
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Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
Nothing Buddha taught is without a helpful purpose. He taught the Agganna Sutta.alan wrote:What is the purpose of this thread?
Cosmology is meaningless. That is the point of the "fathom-long body" quote.
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
From one of Ven. Ñanavira's early letters to Ven. Ñanamoli:
I also met (while bathing in the field) two Englishmen who have been in Ceylon doing underwater photography and writing books about it. (Seeing me, they stopped their car and got out.) One of them is interested in space-travel, but since he is now getting too old for travelling in space (but I thought it made you younger) he has turned to underwater photography (what is the connexion?). Apart from the Ven. C. Thera, he is the first such enthusiast I have met, but is doubtless typical of millions of others in the world today.
I was asked what the Buddha had to say about space-travel, and I managed to remember Rohitassa Devaputta (in A.IV and elsewhere) who space-travelled for a hundred years without coming to the end of the world. The Buddha told him that it is not by going that one comes to the end of the world, as doubtless you will remember. This rather fascinated them; but I fear that the Buddha's "end of the world" remained a mystery. The would-be-space-traveller is also, it seems, a bit of a philosopher—he has even written a book of philosophical essays, now in the press. What is his philosophy? Answer: we only have to wait another hundred thousand years before we shall have met (through space-travel) beings far, far more intelligent than any we know of, who will tell us all the answers. What faith in Science! What hopes for the future! What confidence that by going the end of the world will be reached! After the encounter I felt rather as if I had read all the scientific articles in fifty London Observers.3
[3] London Observers: These Englishmen are probably Mike Wilson and Arthur C. Clarke.
I also met (while bathing in the field) two Englishmen who have been in Ceylon doing underwater photography and writing books about it. (Seeing me, they stopped their car and got out.) One of them is interested in space-travel, but since he is now getting too old for travelling in space (but I thought it made you younger) he has turned to underwater photography (what is the connexion?). Apart from the Ven. C. Thera, he is the first such enthusiast I have met, but is doubtless typical of millions of others in the world today.
I was asked what the Buddha had to say about space-travel, and I managed to remember Rohitassa Devaputta (in A.IV and elsewhere) who space-travelled for a hundred years without coming to the end of the world. The Buddha told him that it is not by going that one comes to the end of the world, as doubtless you will remember. This rather fascinated them; but I fear that the Buddha's "end of the world" remained a mystery. The would-be-space-traveller is also, it seems, a bit of a philosopher—he has even written a book of philosophical essays, now in the press. What is his philosophy? Answer: we only have to wait another hundred thousand years before we shall have met (through space-travel) beings far, far more intelligent than any we know of, who will tell us all the answers. What faith in Science! What hopes for the future! What confidence that by going the end of the world will be reached! After the encounter I felt rather as if I had read all the scientific articles in fifty London Observers.3
[3] London Observers: These Englishmen are probably Mike Wilson and Arthur C. Clarke.
"Dhammā=Ideas. This is the clue to much of the Buddha's teaching." ~ Ven. Ñanavira, Commonplace Book
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Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
You may want to add this to your online Tipitaka sources:mikenz66 wrote:Yes, DN 27.piotr wrote:It's in Dīgha-nikāya.
And I don't recall being able to find an English translation in any of the on-line sources I know about.
Like quite a few interesting suttas... One shouldn't assume that sites like Access to Insight are comprehensive.
Mike
http://tipitaka.wikia.com/wiki/Agganna_Sutta" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
Re: Buddhist take on the "End of the World"
New video with nice graphics to illustrate the meaning:
Bhante Anandajoti: Devolution and Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFaoyp_wrlY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This video is built around a talk given in the Vivekavana Buddhist Society, Bukit Mertajam, Penang, Malaysia on January 6th 2013.
The talk is illustrated with infographics describing the planes of existence and with photographs and complimentary text.
The talk describes the various ways the universe comes to destruction, and how it re-evolves.
It also talks about the moral devolution of humans, before a reversal happens which eventually leads to the emergence of Metteyya (Maitreya) Buddha.
The talk is mainly based on two discourses in the Dīghanikāya, Aggaññasutta (DN 27) and Cakkavattisīhanādasutta (DN 26).
The first video in this series on The Planes of Existence is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPIeCaV-is" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bhante Anandajoti: Devolution and Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFaoyp_wrlY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This video is built around a talk given in the Vivekavana Buddhist Society, Bukit Mertajam, Penang, Malaysia on January 6th 2013.
The talk is illustrated with infographics describing the planes of existence and with photographs and complimentary text.
The talk describes the various ways the universe comes to destruction, and how it re-evolves.
It also talks about the moral devolution of humans, before a reversal happens which eventually leads to the emergence of Metteyya (Maitreya) Buddha.
The talk is mainly based on two discourses in the Dīghanikāya, Aggaññasutta (DN 27) and Cakkavattisīhanādasutta (DN 26).
The first video in this series on The Planes of Existence is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPIeCaV-is" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations