vow of silence
Re: vow of silence
I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.
Re: vow of silence
Ah yes, but what is the context?perkele wrote:I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.
There is also another sutta where the Buddha admonishes Sariputta and Mogallana Theras for bringing a bunch of 500 chattering and rowdy monks to the forest where the Buddha was abiding. The Buddha up and left, whereupon Sariputta and Mogallana went and requested the Buddha to continue to lead the sangha.
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Ben
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Re: vow of silence
There is another sutta Identical in almost all details to the one perkele mentioned and I mentioned in my first post on this thread!Ben wrote:Ah yes, but what is the context?perkele wrote:I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.
There is also another sutta where the Buddha admonishes Sariputta and Mogallana Theras for bringing a bunch of 500 chattering and rowdy monks to the forest where the Buddha was abiding. The Buddha up and left, whereupon Sariputta and Mogallana went and requested the Buddha to continue to lead the sangha.
kind regards,
Ben
the bigest difference is that the monks talked Dhamma or meditated together on observance nights (that is my impression anyway but may be wrong in the reason for the meeting?) and only talked what was nececery! no needless chatter or silence, when there was a problem they tried to sort it out! they discussed the training and their insights with each other! that is the difference, the context although I do not have the relevant text at hand does seam to be the inclination to be extream with the speech either in silence or chatter! and if you look at the speech aspect of the texts (sutta & vinaya) it is very detailed, and there are some rules which can be broken by speech even if it is not a rule directly related to speech, take murder & theft from the Patimokha as example both can be broken via speech not solely ones own body action.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
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