Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by diligence » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:11 am

Sadhu! Sadhu! Thank you soooo much, acinteyyo(forgive my not knowing how to address you properly)! I've just seen your great relpy. I'll read it carefully after I come back.

:anjali:
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.

Mayaṃ sīlaṃ rakkhantā sappurisā bhavissāma.

Were it not for the Vinaya, and for those who continue to keep it alive to this day, there would be no Buddhism.

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by diligence » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:22 am

Dharma includes sankhare dhamma(conditioned dhammas) and visankhara dhamma(unconditioned dhamma, i.e. nibbana). The former is anicca, dukkha and anatta. The latter, which is nibbana, is not annicca and dukkha but also anatta.
Did I understand that correctly? (as you can see English is not my native language :embarassed: )

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:anjali:
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.

Mayaṃ sīlaṃ rakkhantā sappurisā bhavissāma.

Were it not for the Vinaya, and for those who continue to keep it alive to this day, there would be no Buddhism.

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by acinteyyo » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:20 pm

Yes, you did.
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by diligence » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:22 am

:thanks: Sadhu! Sadhu! :anjali:
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.

Mayaṃ sīlaṃ rakkhantā sappurisā bhavissāma.

Were it not for the Vinaya, and for those who continue to keep it alive to this day, there would be no Buddhism.

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by Gena1480 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:55 am

condition element is impermanence, suffering, not-self, condition element is rooted in delusion
unconditioned is not-self and not rotted in delusion
what happens to delusion when some one reaches not-delusion?
what happens to samsara when someone is out of samsara?
does samsara have effect from nibbana
since nibbana has no arising an ceasing it should not effect arising and ceasing
if its effects then it seen
samsara as citta factor/object, mental factor/object and rupa factor/object
all tains is in samsara
taints are eliminated by citta
for example you have a memory of sensual desire
and you have memory of nibbana
one citta eliminated the other
so in this way nibbana can be seen is mental obect/memory of nibbana

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Re: Why is Nibbāna included in mental object base/element?

Post by Virgo » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:50 pm

Alex123 wrote: IMHO, Nibbāna should not be classified as any of 12 sphere or 18 elements.
It is an element because it bears characteristics and so on, as explained by Buddhaghosa.

It is an ultimate reality and therefore must be either nama or rupa because those are the only two types ultimate realities. It is not rupa because it is not physical. It is nama but a kind that does not experience anything itself. It does not arise or fall and can be experienced by nama when the conditions are correct. Experience of it uproots defilements and so on.

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