The consequence for using intoxicants
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Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!
Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?!
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Re: The consequence for using intoxicants
I would like to bring up the subject of psychoactives and what is regarded as an intoxicant. In fact, some of them probably lead me to the path I'm on today.Individual wrote:What did the Buddha say is the consequence for using intoxicants (like marijuana and alcohol)?
I've had a lot of experiences with various psychoactives, I wouldn't consider all of them, at least in a conventional sense to be 'intoxicants' whether this transposes to the Dhamma or not I am not sure.
Although it can be said that Marijuana is conventionally regarded as an intoxicant, in the sense that it does result in attention lapses (lapses of mindfulness?) and thus is not conducive to practise, I don't think it's nearly as harmful as Alcohol.
However I'm sure this is a debate that's been done before and so I would be interested to hear wise opinions on this subject.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
Re: The consequence for using intoxicants
I've used a lot of what I call "desert drugs" like weed, mescaline, and mushrooms, and drank a lot. Never tried the harder stuff except opiate pills a couple times. It could be fun, but certainly was not conducive to any kind of honest look at life. People who claim that there are enlightening properties to such substances are sort of missing the point; you do get a few scattered insights into the working of your own mind (provided you are paying any attention to your mind and not Cartoon Network), but they're too fleeting and difficult to integrate when you're straight again. Besides the short term inability to function fully, it destroys long term ability to use your mind to its full extent. 'Buddhist' teachers who encourage psychedelic use and/or drinking are reprehensibly irresponsible.
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Thanks a lot for thisbodom_bad_boy wrote:"There are, young householder, these six evil consequences in indulging in intoxicants which cause infatuation and heedlessness:
(i) loss of wealth,
(ii) increase of quarrels,
(iii) susceptibility to disease,
(iv) earning an evil reputation,
(v) shameless exposure of body,
(vi) weakening of intellect.
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Greetings
Does anyone know if the Buddha give any adivce on how to overcome desire for alcohol (and other substances)?
Ive had trouble with drink and drugs in the past and was wondering if there is any kind of meditation or recollection that helps with overcoming desire for them, since i still get very strong cravings for them that still effects me from time to time that doesnt seem to go away
Im aware of the numerous discourses that stress the draw backs of sensual pleasure but is there any kind of direct contemplation? or are there even modern teachings that deal with it?
Metta
Does anyone know if the Buddha give any adivce on how to overcome desire for alcohol (and other substances)?
Ive had trouble with drink and drugs in the past and was wondering if there is any kind of meditation or recollection that helps with overcoming desire for them, since i still get very strong cravings for them that still effects me from time to time that doesnt seem to go away
Im aware of the numerous discourses that stress the draw backs of sensual pleasure but is there any kind of direct contemplation? or are there even modern teachings that deal with it?
Metta
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“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Without looking for it there is a sutta where the Buddha advises a king I think it was to use Mindfulness to overcome his overeating.
clw_uk wrote:Greetings
Does anyone know if the Buddha give any adivce on how to overcome desire for alcohol (and other substances)?
Ive had trouble with drink and drugs in the past and was wondering if there is any kind of meditation or recollection that helps with overcoming desire for them, since i still get very strong cravings for them that still effects me from time to time
Im aware of the numerous discourses that stress the draw backs of sensual pleasure but is there any kind of direct contemplation? or are there even modern teachings that deal with it?
Metta
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: The consequence for using intoxicants
Thanks Manapa
On a further note, is smoking considered a breaking of the 5th precept?
Metta
On a further note, is smoking considered a breaking of the 5th precept?
Metta
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Greetings Craig,
No, it's not.
Metta,
Retro.
No, it's not.
Metta,
Retro.
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Re: The consequence for using intoxicants
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