Heavens to betsy
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Heavens to betsy
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>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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I'd really like to know what the monks are chanting.
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"We're in the money! We're in the money!"
Gracious me that really is a limit.....!
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.
Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!
Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?!
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Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!
Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?!
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teeheeFede wrote:
"We're in the money! We're in the money!"
Gracious me that really is a limit.....!
Re: Heavens to betsy
From the article:
"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
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You struck my curiosity enough. I wasn't going to watch the video at first. I skipped through it to check a few points, but didn't see anywhere in the video that there wasn't the narrator or anything else drowning out the chanting. Please let me know if there is a point in time where this is not the case and I'd be happy to try and help.Drolma wrote:I'd really like to know what the monks are chanting.
What I could make out didn't seem to be any chants I'm familiar with, but since they were pretty drowned out I can't say that for sure.
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Greetings,
Metta,
Retro.
I hope they keep saying it too... and point to what that true spirit is.Peter wrote:"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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I'm glad they see it too. Soon they'll have a Thai Reformation...which will only cause more problems. =p But I sure hope they get their act together. May they all be well. _/|\_Peter wrote:From the article:
"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
Re: Heavens to betsy
This isn't particularly special, apart from the coffins it sounds like what I've seen at the local Wat. Here the lay person just disappears under a sheet, the monks chant some of the funeral chants about "sankhara anicca...", then they come out and the monks chant some sort of birth chant.
As far as I can understand, people do it here to "turn over a new leaf", etc, when they want to "turn their life around". Of course it might be more effective for them to do a meditation retreat, but I think there is a place for ritual as long as one appreciates it for what it is. At least they make some merit by making a donation...
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As far as I can understand, people do it here to "turn over a new leaf", etc, when they want to "turn their life around". Of course it might be more effective for them to do a meditation retreat, but I think there is a place for ritual as long as one appreciates it for what it is. At least they make some merit by making a donation...
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Greetings
Metta,
Retro.
I wonder about the potential demerit of those performing the ceremonies.mikenz66 wrote:At least they make some merit by making a donation...
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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I know someone who uses a coffin for a coffee table as a reminder of impermanence. Frankly, I don't feel it's fair to rush to judgment without knowing exactly what the monks are chanting, and how the experience of lying in a coffin is affecting people. That's my two cents.
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This?mikenz66 wrote:This isn't particularly special, apart from the coffins it sounds like what I've seen at the local Wat. Here the lay person just disappears under a sheet, the monks chant some of the funeral chants about "sankhara anicca...", then they come out and the monks chant some sort of birth chant.
As far as I can understand, people do it here to "turn over a new leaf", etc, when they want to "turn their life around". Of course it might be more effective for them to do a meditation retreat, but I think there is a place for ritual as long as one appreciates it for what it is. At least they make some merit by making a donation...
Metta
Mike
I might have another look at that video and see if I can make that out somewhere. I'm really not familiar with this ritual at all.Rupapadanak-khando
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Re: Heavens to betsy
I can't speak for the case in the news, but for the regular ceremony that I described I don't see why there should there be demerit for the monks any more than there would be demerit with the other ceremonies, such as when the monks chant blessing when the lay people offer them food. In either case the lay people make an offering and (implicitly in the regular offering case) ask for a protective chant.retrofuturist wrote: I wonder about the potential demerit of those performing the ceremonies.
If the monks were turning it into a lucrative business for their own gain by their own planning then that would be a different issue, but generally lay people look after fund-raising issues...
Perhaps some of our Monastics could comment.
Metta
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Not to single you out here Drolma...Whatever they're chanting, what difference does it make?...the people don't know what it means...and being Pali there's a real good chance the monk doesn't know either...I know I'm asking for a flameout here, but that's the view from this angle...Drolma wrote:I don't feel it's fair to rush to judgment without knowing exactly what the monks are chanting...
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Hi Bhante,
Thank you for your feedback
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Thank you for your feedback
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