alan wrote:Hi daverupa
nameless supposes a world totally based on conditions, and where we can't get out of our conditions. It places no emphasis on willful behavior. The description does not offer a place for willful agency.
If nameless really thinks he can check a different dictionary hoping to find a new definition of rationality, that is up to him.
I did not suppose such a world. "Within those options we can still have a choice, but our choices are still limited" is what I said. "we can still have a choice" meaning we can have willful behavior.
It also does not go against the sutta you quoted. I assume the purpose you quoted it is this "that the present experience of pleasure and pain is a combined result of both past and present actions. This seemingly small addition to the notion of kamma plays an enormous role in allowing for the exercise of free will and the possibility of putting an end to suffering before the effects of all past actions have ripened". What I said was "the options we have at each moment is limited by the conditions we have experienced (past). Within those options we can still have a choice (present), but our choices are still limited".
I don't deny the possibility of rising above conditions. But that is something which takes a lot of training. One must first see how one is conditioned before one knows what is unconditioned, just as one must touch water in order to know what dryness is. You talk about having the ability to change one's perceptions given new information, yet isn't the new information yet another condition? The eight-fold path allows one to rise above conditions, but is the encountering of the eightfold path, the ability to understand it, the desire and ability to put it into practice, are they not conditions?
But I shall stop here.