This, I don't understand. You seem to be contradicting yourself.poto wrote:I do not think it is wise to assume that mere stream entry equates with automatically receiving the fruits of stream entry. I think it would still require one to be diligent and strive in earnest in order to bear the fruit of stream entry.
I suggest you read Bodhipakkiya-dhamma dipani by Ledi Sayadaw.
Further, if the words of an ignorant arahant isn't to your taste, then perhaps these quotes from the Buddha:
"Bhikkhus, a noble disciple who possesses four things is a stream-enterer, . . . He possesses the virtues dear to the noble ones, unbroken." SN 55.2
"There are, O monks, these blessings in realizing the fruit of stream-entry: One is firm in the good Dhamma. One is unable to fall back." AN 6.97
"Consider the person who is accomplished in the precepts, and is moderately successful in concentration, moderately successful in wisdom – by destroying the three hindrances, he becomes one, who will be reborn seven times at most [stream entrant]" AN 9.12
The stream winner, with virtues dear to noble ones endowed, which are unbroken and without a rent, untarnished and without a blemish, purifying, praised by the wise, uncontaminated and conducive to concentration." AN 9.27
My understanding is that when Channa attempted suicide, it was not an offence. Hence, he did not break sila.Channa's suicide, that will do. Attempted suicide is a low-level Vinaya offense.
I'm sorry Retro but Nanavira is hardly an authority.Better still..... from Nanavira's Letter #50.