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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Annapurna » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:03 am

christopher wrote: I'm probably one who has been quite guilty of meta-discussion. Just as some folks have difficulty understanding why it's not helpful to belittle fellow members i don't quite understand yet how meta-discussion is a major problem.
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Yes, I have the same "problem".

I was brought up to NOT look away when someone else is being unfairly attacked, but to do my best to deescalate the situation, especially when no staff is around to take care of it.

It's about protecting the weaker. And anybody who is being attacked is in a vulnerable position.


So naturally I can hardly keep my fingers still when I see it happening.

Of course it requires some skills that I am still in the process of optimising.

Ben taught me a new word: "Peer moderation"!

Now, why should that necessarily be a bad thing?

Isn't that what is happening in off line discussions all the time?

Somebody gets a blow. A friend tries to ward it off.

That's what friends do, don't they?

And Buddhists should be friend to anyone.

So if I see that XY is mocked or belittled, am I to keep my mouth shut then, or what am I to do?

My friends, I would feel like a bloody coward if I left it to someone else. Who may not even be around.

Delegating responsibility is such a dangerous thing....and I am honestly not used to it.

Delegating can become a habit, and eventually you will watch a lady getting robbed on the street, or worse! and everybody else looks away and waits for "staff" to deal with it.

It starts in the little things, and grows to big things.

So, in a way, my own conscience will always overrule board rules.

That's why I am a difficult member at times, my apologies.

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by PeterB » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:09 am

Sometimes...in fact quite often what is perceived as an attack on a person, is actually a defense of Dhamma...

The problem with meta discussion is not that is a heinous crime in itself...its that it is self proliferating.

Before you know it half the forum is occupied by people voicing entirely subjective reactions not to Dhamma, but to the tone of voice in which the discussion is being held...but that is trivial and subjective and a substitute for the hard work of internalising Dhammic concepts and practising skillful means.
As Cooran's sig says " The problem is you think you have time "....we really havent. Even the youngest and fittest really hasnt. Lets all get a bit less sensitive on our own behalf and that of others. Theres work to do.

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Annapurna » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:24 am

Sometimes...in fact quite often what is perceived as an attack on a person, is actually a defense of Dhamma...
Good point, Peter, and when I see THAT happening, I naturally become aware of how much this person appreciates the Dhamma, which is quite moving.

In "teaching" others, the teacher must pick up the student where he is at.

I admit, I am a hard nut to crack, because I am afflicted with pride.

I lack some humbleness, which is probably why I often type "humble mess".


Freudian slip? :jumping:

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Ben » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:41 am

Hi Anna

We're all responsible for making Dhamma Wheel an optimal place whether our intention is for Dhamma discussion or hanging out with people for whom the Dhamma is a central element in their lives. I like peer moderation as a concept because it recognizes that DW is much more than the admin and mod team and that like the discussions that occur on DW, the culture of the board is a product of all those who contribute. Peer moderation demonstrates a maturity of the board when members feel a sense of ownership and step in. And that could just be by being a valued contributor, of demonstrating exemplary behaviour or alerting the admin/mod team (report function) if something requires examination or helping to keep topics focused. My admin and mod colleagues have lives outside of DW, and so we can't always be here. And what's more, I don't think you guys need us here all the time.
I know this thread is about how we, as the admin/mod team, can make DW a better place. But I also think there is so much we can all do.
Anyway, they're just my thoughts...

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by andre9999 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:12 am

I don't like peer moderation because a few people will inevitably start acting like hall monitors, finding identity and self-esteem in making sure everyone follows the rules exactly. In my short time here, too many threads have spun off-topic into a long series of posts about you're-not-doing-it-right, that always seems to require a mod to step in.

The current system seems to work just fine.

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Nyana » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:16 am

Ben wrote: My admin and mod colleagues have lives outside of DW
Tilt has a life?... :tongue:

:oops:

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Dan74 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:29 pm

Ñāṇa wrote:
Ben wrote: My admin and mod colleagues have lives outside of DW
Tilt has a life?... :tongue:

:oops:
Yes, I am confused too.

I thought Tilt was an AI program that is always online with an up-to-date database of Buddhist knowledge. A sort of a Buddhist Marvin...

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Annapurna » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:53 pm

andre9999 wrote:I don't like peer moderation because a few people will inevitably start acting like hall monitors, finding identity and self-esteem in making sure everyone follows the rules exactly. In my short time here, too many threads have spun off-topic into a long series of posts about you're-not-doing-it-right, that always seems to require a mod to step in.

The current system seems to work just fine.
The system has changed???

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by andre9999 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:29 pm

Annapurna wrote:The system has changed???
I didn't realize that everyone is calling this "peer moderation". My point is that I like things well enough as they are.

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Nyana » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:08 pm

Dan74 wrote: I thought Tilt was an AI program
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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by PeterB » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:23 pm

I think whether humorous or passive aggressive that is enough Tilt bashing.
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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by christopher::: » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:35 pm

Last edited by christopher::: on Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by Nyana » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:36 pm

PeterB wrote:I think whether humorous or passive aggressive that is enough Tilt bashing.
Merely a bit of jocular frivolity. But point taken.

All the best,

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by andre9999 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:45 pm

PeterB wrote:I think whether humorous or passive aggressive that is enough Tilt bashing.
Commence the Peter bashing!

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Re: Open invitation: Help us improve your DW experience!

Post by mikenz66 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:15 pm

andre9999 wrote:
PeterB wrote:I think whether humorous or passive aggressive that is enough Tilt bashing.
Commence the Peter bashing!
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