Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:
Sounds rather sociopathic, don't you think...? Do you really believe that...?
If we are momentarily going off the cliff into oblivion, why does it matter? Take as much as you can becauase tomorrow - no consequence.
If it were the case that there is no retributory afterlife, there would still be the small difficulty of the matter of cause and effect in this life. Jeff Dahmer found that out, by and by.
You are artificially taking the position that only an absolute sociopath would actually hold. I welcome you to actively and enthusiastically pursue and explore your specious position and line of reasoning and argumentation to the very fullest, and see for yourself just how far your proposal of a doctrine of "I'll just do what I want, take what I want,perpetrate whatever I want upon just whoever and whatever I want, just as I please", takes you, and to report your eventual conclusions back to us from your prison cell.
In short: the Buddha did not teach that there are no consequences to actions.
Just pursue the things that are not dukkha and you will not experience dukkha.
And then they will change, decay, and fade away, and the dukkha will come.
So all life is suffering.
The Buddha did not teach that. He said, "There is suffering", or "This is suffering". He pointed out the fact
of suffering, and offered his solutions to the various ways he saw that we cause suffering for ourselves and others. What a good cat he was.
Suffering is a universal and all-inclusive truth about life, not just particular things in life.
As you say. however, suffering is our response to events in life, and not an intrinsic quality to the fact of life itself.
Lord Buddha says idam dukkham
"This is Suffering". Yes.
NOT "Life is suffering".
and sabbam idam dukkham (i think, once).
, once...? Try to do better than that, eh...?
I don't think sabbam dukkham ever actually appears. But sabbam dukkham is what must be meant.
You are way out on a limb here.
Because as you just implied all things are dukkha.
I did not imply or state that at all. The only reason any and/or all things carry the potential to cause us dukkha is because of our own potential to attach to them as "Me and Mine". All things are intrinsically neutral.
If the problem is universal liberation also has to be universal.
And so the Buddha's teachings of liberation are universal -- and he declared them as such -- for anyone mature enough to fully embrace them.
So liberation is not just something that makes you feel better before you die.
What a sad distortion you offer here. The liberation from all
suffering that the Buddha's Noble Teachings promise is not a matter of "just
making one 'feel better before they die'". Drowning oneself in a bottle can deliver that sad sort of delusion. You sadly underestimate the reality of suffering
, and what suffering really is.
Perhaps you express such naïvité because you have never experienced real
suffering at all.
If liberation is universal it also has to include what happens after death.
"What happens after death" is a matter of speculation and speculative view. What is happening here and now is real. Suffering only ever happens in the here and now
(Edited by poster to remove harsh speech)