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frank k
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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:03 pm

Hi suaimhneas,

(7sb) satta -(sam)-bojjh-aṅgaṃ, seven-awakening-factors are not just a causal sequence, and there are many ways to use it.
For example, 4 jhānas can be seen as 4 quality levels of samādhi-sambojjhanga.
But also, 7sb can be seen as factors in each of the 4 jhānas.
In third jhāna, the formula explicitly lists (S&S🐘💭) sati & sam-pajāno, remembering & lucid-discerning , corresponding to (7sb → 1. 🐘 sati) and (7sb → 2. 💭🕵️ Dhamma-vicaya), and also 7sb7 (upekkha). Sukha, which has 7sb5 (passadhi/pacification) as a prerequisite, so even though 7sb5 not explicitly stated, it's there in 3rd jhāna. 7sb3 viriya, is also not stated, but it's there as well. So of the 7 factors in 7sb, only piti is not present in third jhāna.

Therefore 7sb is not a casual sequence where all previous factors have to be abandoned to reach the next one.

the rest of my response to your question here:
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... o-and.html
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suaimhneas
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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by suaimhneas » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:53 pm

Cool, thanks. I'll take a look.

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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:47 pm

fourth installment:
MN 117 and its implications
It's not easy to explain, so first I need to explain a few concepts.
If you don't understand survivorship bias, bandwagon effect, and cognitive dissonance, it won't be easy to follow the audit.
So first, a parable that explains the big problem that I'm going to expose with Ven. Analayo's lack of mention of MN 117 in EBMS.

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... farm.html
excerpt:
A long time ago, in paradise valley, Sid and his family, with the surname of Gotonirvana, had a farm collective, growing a rich variety of fruits. They tasted extraordinary, and the fruit was completely wholesome and nutritious. Their fruit was available far and wide, famous everywhere.

their advertisement read:
Sid and Gotonirvana family farms,
quenching thirst with the tastiest fruit
with an entirely complete and pure variety of fruits.

frank k wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:45 pm
third installment:
Case study on intellectual dishonesty, agendas, biases: Frankk and his views on jhāna, vitakka, vicara
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... esty.html

second installment:
MN 111 Bhikkhu Analayo, circular reasoning and red herrings
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ular.html

First installment:
covers MN 128, SN 40.1, narrative fallacy
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ayos.html
http://www.audtip.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Audio Sutta Recordings

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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:32 pm

fifth installment:
Sunday, February 17, 2019
So why are references to MN 117 missing in Bhikkhu Anālayo's EBMS?
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... sing.html
(sums up and connects the other posts related to MN 117)

There are several blog posts on MN 117 (in the blog subject titles) between today (2/17) and (2/14).
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2019/02/

frank k wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:47 pm
fourth installment:
MN 117 and its implications
It's not easy to explain, so first I need to explain a few concepts.
If you don't understand survivorship bias, bandwagon effect, and cognitive dissonance, it won't be easy to follow the audit.
So first, a parable that explains the big problem that I'm going to expose with Ven. Analayo's lack of mention of MN 117 in EBMS.

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... farm.html
excerpt:
A long time ago, in paradise valley, Sid and his family, with the surname of Gotonirvana, had a farm collective, growing a rich variety of fruits. They tasted extraordinary, and the fruit was completely wholesome and nutritious. Their fruit was available far and wide, famous everywhere.

their advertisement read:
Sid and Gotonirvana family farms,
quenching thirst with the tastiest fruit
with an entirely complete and pure variety of fruits.

frank k wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:45 pm
third installment:
Case study on intellectual dishonesty, agendas, biases: Frankk and his views on jhāna, vitakka, vicara
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... esty.html

second installment:
MN 111 Bhikkhu Analayo, circular reasoning and red herrings
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ular.html

First installment:
covers MN 128, SN 40.1, narrative fallacy
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ayos.html
http://www.audtip.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Audio Sutta Recordings

frank k
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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:46 pm

sixth installment
sunday feb. 24
MN 19, MN 78, MN 125 when Bhikkhu Anālayo met 🔪 Occam's razor
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... layo.html

I've built a one stop V&V shop containing Bhikkhu Anālayo, Bhikkhu Sujato's views on V&V here:
https://archive.org/details/Lucid24Vita ... a/page/n5

The one stop V&V shop, where errant views meet the chopping block.
frank k wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:32 pm
fifth installment:
Sunday, February 17, 2019
So why are references to MN 117 missing in Bhikkhu Anālayo's EBMS?
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... sing.html
(sums up and connects the other posts related to MN 117)

There are several blog posts on MN 117 (in the blog subject titles) between today (2/17) and (2/14).
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2019/02/

frank k wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:47 pm
fourth installment:
MN 117 and its implications
It's not easy to explain, so first I need to explain a few concepts.
If you don't understand survivorship bias, bandwagon effect, and cognitive dissonance, it won't be easy to follow the audit.
So first, a parable that explains the big problem that I'm going to expose with Ven. Analayo's lack of mention of MN 117 in EBMS.

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... farm.html
excerpt:
A long time ago, in paradise valley, Sid and his family, with the surname of Gotonirvana, had a farm collective, growing a rich variety of fruits. They tasted extraordinary, and the fruit was completely wholesome and nutritious. Their fruit was available far and wide, famous everywhere.

their advertisement read:
Sid and Gotonirvana family farms,
quenching thirst with the tastiest fruit
with an entirely complete and pure variety of fruits.

frank k wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:45 pm
third installment:
Case study on intellectual dishonesty, agendas, biases: Frankk and his views on jhāna, vitakka, vicara
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... esty.html

second installment:
MN 111 Bhikkhu Analayo, circular reasoning and red herrings
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ular.html

First installment:
covers MN 128, SN 40.1, narrative fallacy
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ayos.html
http://www.audtip.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Audio Sutta Recordings

frank k
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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:09 am

book: Bhikkhu Anālayo's mistranslation of V&V
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... n-of.html

sixth installment
sunday feb. 24
MN 19, MN 78, MN 125 when Bhikkhu Anālayo met 🔪 Occam's razor

thur. feb 28,
the exciting but bloody conclusion to their meeting:
☸ MN 19, 78, 125 final score: 🔪 Occam's razor six, Bhikkhu Anālayo zero
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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by mrgrtt123 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:42 am

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Re: New book from Venerable Analayo

Post by frank k » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:18 am

mrgrtt123 wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:42 am
Thank you for sharing this article with us, it is essential since a lot of us still wants to know what happened.

new installment #7
https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ayos.html

I have one or two more installments coming through, then I'll wrap it up with a conclusion,
put it all together in a book epub.
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