Infants are little Buddhas

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Infants are little Buddhas

Post by phillyy » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:57 pm

Buddhadasa teaches us that rebirth is a lie.

That we are all born as Buddhas because we have not yet accumulated grains and maizes.
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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

Post by Volo » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:21 pm

I'm not sure what Ven Buddhadasa meant, but the idea that infants are Buddhas does contradict to what Buddha said:
MN 64 wrote:Would not the wanderers of other sects confute you with the simile of the infant? For a young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘identity,’ [433] so how could identity view arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to identity view lies within him.651 A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘teachings,’652 so how could doubt about the teachings arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to doubt lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘rules,’ so how could adherence to rules and observances arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to adhere to rules and observances lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘sensual pleasures,’ so how could sensual desire arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to sensual lust lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘beings,’ so how could ill will towards beings arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to ill will lies within him. Would not the wanderers of other sects confute you with this simile of the infant?”

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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

Post by phillyy » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:29 pm

Volo wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:21 pm
I'm not sure what Ven Buddhadasa meant, but the idea that infants are Buddhas does contradict to what Buddha said:
MN 64 wrote:Would not the wanderers of other sects confute you with the simile of the infant? For a young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘identity,’ [433] so how could identity view arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to identity view lies within him.651 A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘teachings,’652 so how could doubt about the teachings arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to doubt lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘rules,’ so how could adherence to rules and observances arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to adhere to rules and observances lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘sensual pleasures,’ so how could sensual desire arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to sensual lust lies within him. A young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘beings,’ so how could ill will towards beings arise in him? Yet the underlying tendency to ill will lies within him. Would not the wanderers of other sects confute you with this simile of the infant?”
Sir, it is as clear as an azure sky in summer: from PHASSA comes AVIJHA....
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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

Post by phillyy » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:30 pm

The Buddhasassana is reborn ever nanosecond!

Each baby is the Original Buddha filled with Sunyata!


Note it, sirs!
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Post by dharmacorps » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:24 pm

The Buddha himself rejected the idea infants are Buddhas and found the idea absurd:

MN 78
"...When this was said, the Blessed One said to Pañcakanga: "In that case, carpenter, then according to Uggahamana's words a stupid baby boy, lying on its back, is consummate in what is skillful, foremost in what is skillful, an invincible contemplative attained to the highest attainments. For even the thought 'body' does not occur to a stupid baby boy lying on its back, so from where would it do any evil action with its body, aside from a little kicking? Even the thought 'speech' does not occur to it, so from where would it speak any evil speech, aside from a little crying? Even the thought 'resolve' does not occur to it, so from where would it resolve on any evil resolve, aside from a little bad temper? Even the thought 'livelihood' does not occur to it, so from where would it maintain itself with any evil means of livelihood, aside from its mother's milk? So, according to Uggahamana's words, a stupid baby boy, lying on its back is consummate in what is skillful, foremost in what is skillful, an invincible contemplative attained to the highest attainments."

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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

Post by cookiemonster » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:32 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:24 pm
The Buddha himself rejected the idea infants are Buddhas and found the idea absurd:

MN 78
"...When this was said, the Blessed One said to Pañcakanga: "In that case, carpenter, then according to Uggahamana's words a stupid baby boy, lying on its back, is consummate in what is skillful, foremost in what is skillful, an invincible contemplative attained to the highest attainments. For even the thought 'body' does not occur to a stupid baby boy lying on its back, so from where would it do any evil action with its body, aside from a little kicking? Even the thought 'speech' does not occur to it, so from where would it speak any evil speech, aside from a little crying? Even the thought 'resolve' does not occur to it, so from where would it resolve on any evil resolve, aside from a little bad temper? Even the thought 'livelihood' does not occur to it, so from where would it maintain itself with any evil means of livelihood, aside from its mother's milk? So, according to Uggahamana's words, a stupid baby boy, lying on its back is consummate in what is skillful, foremost in what is skillful, an invincible contemplative attained to the highest attainments."
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The teaching that children are Buddhas seem to fit with other post-modern ecumenical ideas regarding Christ-consciousness, Love is All, all paths lead to God, etc. & do not align with early Buddhist thought, IMO.

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Re: Infants are little Buddhas

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:11 pm

Greetings,

As this topic was not started in good faith, it will be closed.

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