Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Sam Vara » Sat May 19, 2018 5:52 pm

Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:18 am
So do you think The President should be calling gang members (if you don't consider gang members a demographic) animals?
I personally have no opinion on the matter.
Okay, thanks.
You've carelessly missed out a bit of my response. When asked "So do you think The President should be calling gang members...animals?" my response was a succinct but definite "No".

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by robertk » Sat May 19, 2018 9:47 pm

18 May 20181,920
Glenn Beck, the staunch Never-Trump radio host and founder of The Blaze, announced on Friday that he is supporting President Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election bid.

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.@glennbeck has heard ENOUGH from the mainstream media.
It's time to acknowledge everything @realDonaldTrump has done for America.

Beck said his decision to finally support the President came after watching the “dishonest and corrupt” media mischaracterized Trump’s comments, in which he described MS-13 gang members as “animals,” on Thursday.

“Media, if you can get me, Glenn Beck, to do this,” he said, “If you can drive me to the point to where I say, ‘You know what, I’ve had enough; I’ll vote for him in 2020’– you’re making a gigantic mistake.”

During this monologue, Beck put a red “Make America Great Again” hat on his head and announced the symbolic act to his radio listeners.

Beck added he believes Trump will re-take the White House in 2020 in a “landslide.”

His comments came after years of staunch opposition to Trump, starting with the 2016 Republican primary. Beck made his first-ever primary endorsement during that race, backing Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) and speaking at several Cruz rallies. He appeared on CNN and labeled Trump a “dangerous man,” contributed to National Review‘s “Against Trump” special issue, and infamously stuck his face in a bowl of crushed Cheetos before Trump ultimately won the Republican nomination

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Mr Man » Sun May 20, 2018 5:50 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 5:52 pm
Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 am


I personally have no opinion on the matter.
Okay, thanks.
You've carelessly missed out a bit of my response. When asked "So do you think The President should be calling gang members...animals?" my response was a succinct but definite "No".
I didn't carelessly miss out I deliberately cut out what seemed irrelevant to the question and didn't seem to make much sense, to me.

I thought "I personally have no opinion on the matter." was the answer to my question.

Thanks for correcting me and for clarifying (to me) that the answer was actually "No".

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by binocular » Sun May 20, 2018 9:27 am

Kamran wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm
There are no sub-humans. All human beings have the same rights.
Including Trump.

This is why this line of criticism of Trump fails.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by binocular » Sun May 20, 2018 9:32 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:10 pm
However, it is obvious that he means they are animals by virtue of their inhuman brutality.
If the gang members are human, then what they do cannot be "inhuman brutality". Then whatever they do is simply what humans do.

Kamran wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:09 am
But the vast majority of American youth, the next generation, are so ashamed and disgusted with not only Trump, but with what his Presidency says about American society.
The real problem is that people mostly have only vague, emotionally based ideas of morality that are rationally indefensible. Which is how people are generally impotent in the face of those they find immoral/amoral, and are able to oppose them with only more vague, emotionally based ideas of morality that are rationally indefensible, eventually leading to an eye-for-an-eye mentality in all involved.

Suits people right, because they were making fun of philosophy.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by robertk » Sun May 20, 2018 6:34 pm

the liberal press got rather twisted about this.
my favorite is Navarro who is on CNN sometimes
https://www.google.fr/amp/amp.dailycall ... 3-animals/
Screen Shot Ana Navarro (CNN: April 30, 2018)
Regular CNN commentator Ana Navarro joined the crowd attacking President Donald Trump for referring to MS-13 gang members as “animals,” apparently forgetting that she had used the same terminology to attack Trump during the 2016 campaign.

Just after the release of the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape, Navarro tweeted her disgust with then candidate Trump.

“Should Donald Trump drop out of the race? Yes,” she tweeted Oct. 10, 2016. “He should drop out of the human race. He is an animal. Apologies to animals.
Runner up has to be from the Washington Post

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Jennifer Rubin, the self-described “conservative blogger” at the Washington Post, called President Trump’s comments “disgusting.”


But in August of 2017, Rubin also compared the president to an “animal” in an opinion piece that appeared in the Chicago Tribune.

“Only 24 hours after he read a serious speech off a teleprompter committing to send more young men and women to fight in Afghanistan, President Donald Trump reverted to form, delivering a rambling, rage-filled, 77-minute harangue that was alternately defensive, angry, accusatory and just plain weird. Like a trapped animal, he lashed out in every direction, trying unsuccessfully to draw blood.


It seems using a simile("like a trapped animal" ) is quite ok - it is metaphors that cross the line..

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by DooDoot » Sun May 20, 2018 7:57 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:04 pm
Trump's not smart enough to know that humans are animals, he didn't learn much in school!!
Trump's not smart enough to know that homo sapiens that engage in wanton violence like he does are also animals, he didn't learn much in Dhamma school!! Trump is part of a "gang".
Sooner, I say, would that blind turtle, coming to the surface once every hundred years, insert its neck into that yoke with a single hole than the fool who has gone once to the nether world would regain the human state. For what reason? Because here, bhikkhus, there is no conduct guided by the Dhamma, no righteous conduct, no wholesome activity, no meritorious activity. Here there prevails mutual devouring, the devouring of the weak.

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And what is the diversity in fermentations? There are fermentations that lead to hell, those that lead to the animal womb, those that lead to the realm of the hungry shades, those that lead to the human world, those that lead to the world of the devas. This is called the diversity in fermentations.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by LuisR » Thu May 24, 2018 12:37 am

Ah man I sometimes hate being Latino. We are looked at as such trash.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by retrofuturist » Thu May 24, 2018 1:12 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by LuisR » Thu May 24, 2018 2:53 am

:cry:

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by pulga » Thu May 24, 2018 12:46 pm

I don't know how much of it is from President Trump and how much of it is from Jeff Sessions who seems to have a zeal against all illegal immigration, but the Trump administration does seem to be too hard on undocumented immigrants these days. Trump the candidate vowed that he would target only violent illegal immigrants, while Sessions the Attorney General is going after all illegal immigrants.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu May 24, 2018 2:00 pm

pulga wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 12:46 pm
I don't know how much of it is from President Trump and how much of it is from Jeff Sessions who seems to have a zeal against all illegal immigration, but the Trump administration does seem to be too hard on undocumented immigrants these days. Trump the candidate vowed that he would target only violent illegal immigrants, while Sessions the Attorney General is going after all illegal immigrants.
I just don't understand the confusion that seems to reign in America regarding illegal immigration.

Either its legal, or it isn't. If it isn't, then apply the law. If it isn't, but we want it to be, change the law.

Surely that's all there is to it.
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by pulga » Thu May 24, 2018 3:22 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:00 pm


Either its legal, or it isn't. If it isn't, then apply the law. If it isn't, but we want it to be, change the law.
The sheer size of the problem and the proposed solutions are daunting. In 1986 an amnesty was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, giving two to three million illegal immigrants citizenship. Though with chain migration the impact on the U.S. population was much greater. Some estimate that if amnesty were given again today the impact would be an additional 60 million foreign Hispanics moving to the U.S., many with little or no education or money. Many Democrats want such a demographic shift because most of them would vote for their party. President Trump is tying his DACA proposal -- which is a sort of limited amnesty -- to an end of chain migration which in some respects is more important than the building of the wall.

I have to admit that many conservatives are just too mean-spirited to approach the problem in a nuanced way. There is a human element that has to be taken into account. I think President Trump leans towards dealing with the problem humanely, though a good portion of his base is the mean-spirited type.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by retrofuturist » Thu May 24, 2018 10:35 pm

Greetings pulga,

I thought his "12 years to citizenship" DACA plan (I forgot what it was called exactly) was very fair and generous.

Democrats voted against it, because I don't really think they want the problem solved.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by pulga » Fri May 25, 2018 12:02 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 10:35 pm

Democrats voted against it, because I don't really think they want the problem solved.
Had the DACA dilemma been resolved it would have been a huge political win for the President, something seemingly intolerable to the Democrats these days. Hopefully their cynicism didn't go unnoticed to many of the Hispanics who would have benefited from what President Trump had to offer.

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