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Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Kamran » Mon May 14, 2018 6:40 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp

Ivanka arrives in Jerusalem to celebrate while 41 unarmed Palestinian protesters are killed.

Guess which country benefits from the US embassy move to Jerusalem?

Which coubtry can use this to galvanize support from poeple throughout the region?

Not the US, Israel, or Saudi Arabia that's for sure.

They seem to think we are still living under European colonialism when you didn't need any support from the ppl to control the place.
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Post by DNS » Mon May 14, 2018 10:00 pm

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Israel & Judah, 9th century BCE

The "true" capital is in Shechem. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah, not Israel, but Judah dominated in the end and made Jerusalem the capital for the whole kingdom.

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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Kamran » Tue May 15, 2018 1:19 am

I didn't know that. Thanks.

I guess for hundreds of years under the Romans Jews were forbidden to live in Jerusalem.

Ironically, it was Iranians and Muslims who let them back into the city.

https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/millen ... -iran.html
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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by DooDoot » Tue May 15, 2018 2:58 am

Kamran wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:19 am
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Israel ceased to exist in around 722BC and what happened to the Ten Lost Tribes remains largely unknown. The Tribe of Judah had already divorced itself from Israel. Whatever Hebrew individuals that remained from the Ten Tribes of Israel were absorbed into Judah with the Benjaminites (example Saul of Tarsus was a Benjaminite), with their Levite priests. Therefore, the nation created in 1948 via funding the new US President Truman should probably be called "Judah" rather than "Israel". But "Israel" is also a symbolic Christian term used by Christ in his unifying evangelism and 19th century Protestant Christians were as much behind the Zionist project as the 19th century Zionists. Many people tend to blame "Jews", "Zionists", "Israel", etc, but the reality is the Jewish individuals of high political influence in the West were always part of & the same as the British Empire. This partnership of colonialism started in 1688; financed by wealthy Jewish financiers lead by Francisco Lopes Suasso who made lots of money in Muslim-Spain and moved to Holland when Muslims & Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492. Many of these wealthy Jewish families converted to Catholicism and continued to serve the king of Spain during the 1500s (including the father of Francisco Lopes Suasso), when the Spain started the world's two largest silver mines in Mexico and Bolivia. Obviously, it was socially unacceptable in Britain from the 1700s for Jewish individuals to have overt leadership roles in the new British Empire (but they obviously did, as a little research will find). In fact, the Jewish role in the new British Empire was first attempted back to Oliver Cromwell. Zionists celebrate this (Haaretz article below) but Western people generally are unaware of this historical fact. It is the same Empire. Zionism, Saudi Arabia, etc, have always been part of the British Empire. Our people in the Middle East have had many diaspora due to the actions of the British Empire. We came to Australia and noticed what the British Empire did to the native people here. Go easy on those Jews. Don't end up like the contradicted Hitler, who was against Jews but admired the British Empire. The Zionists & the Anglo-Dutch-now-US Empire are one & the same. Importantly, they are good meditation objects for disenchantment towards all of the world. ;) :meditate:
This Day in Jewish History 1710: The Banker Who Helped William of Orange Conquer England Dies

Elegantly, Francisco Suasso declined collateral for the loan: ‘If thou art victorious, I know thou wilt return them to me; art thou not victorious, I agree to having lost them’

On April 22, 1710, Francisco Lopes Suasso, scion of one the wealthiest and most influential banking families of the Dutch Golden Age, died in the Hague, at the approximate age of 53.

Francisco Lopes Suasso – known within the Jewish community of Amsterdam as Abraham Israel Suasso – was born in that city in or around 1657. He was the oldest son of Antonio Lopes Suasso (1614–1685) and Violenta de Pinto. Both parents were descendants of Converso families that left Spain after the Inquisition and eventually made their way to the Netherlands, where they were able to resume living openly as Jews. Antonio had apparently been born in Bordeaux, and Violenta in Antwerp.

Francisco was born into wealth: Antonio was a successful banker, one who was as prized for his political acumen as for his financial skills. Although the family had been driven from Spain, Antonio maintained good relations with King Charles II, loaning him funds in 1672, when he was defending Spain’s possessions in the Netherlands from a French invasion. In return, Charles bestowed the title of Baron d’Avernas le Gras on Antonio in 1676.

Antonio’s bank also provided financial support to the stadtholders, the effective rulers of each of the Dutch provinces under Spanish sovereignty.

Banking an invasion of England

In 1682, Francisco, the son, married Judith Francisco Texeira, whose father was yet another Sephardi-Jewish banker, Manoel Isaac Texeira, of Hamburg. Had their marriage yielded sons, a new banking dynasty combining the holdings of both families would have been created. Sadly, though, Judith died in 1689, having borne no children.

In the meantime, Francisco, upon the death of his father in 1685, inherited half of his estate, which was largely made up of shares of the Dutch East India Company

Like Antonio before him, Francisco was politically astute as well as rich, and it was to him who William of Orange turned in 1688 when he was preparing to invade England, intending to overthrow the king, his father-in-law, the Catholic James II.

Francisco provided the future William III of Britain with a loan of two million guilders, an astronomical sum at the time. But no less impressive is that when William asked him what he demanded in terms of collateral, Francisco responded – at least according to the legend – “If thou art victorious, I know thou wilt return them to me; art thou not victorious, I agree to having lost them.”

The word of William

William was of course victorious, and he did repay his banker. The chest in which he delivered the returned money is still on display at the Willet-Holthuisen Museum in Amsterdam.

Francisco’s assistance to the crown went further, with him taking responsibility for other elements of the invasion, including providing for the transport of Swedish and Pomeranian troops, sent by the king of Sweden to assist William in the operation. This Suasso did with the assistance of his then-father-in-law Manoel Texeira, in Hamburg.

Other Dutch Jews similarly assisted William and hoped for his success, even holding a special service at the Portuguese Synagogue the day after he sailed. They not only expected his conquest to lead to an improvement of conditions for their Jewish brethren in England, but also, according to historian Jonathan Israel, expected it to be beneficial to their own ties with the Sephardi communities of the British colonies in the Caribbean, including Barbados and Jamaica.

In 1694, Francisco Lopes Suasso married Leonora (Rachel) da Costa: She bore him 10 children, including seven sons.

Francisco died on this day in 1710. He was buried in the Etz Haim Cemetery at Ouderkerk aan de Amstel, just outside Amsterdam. His eldest son, Isaac Lopes Suasso, took over from him as head of the family business, and inherited the title of Baron d’Avernas le Gras.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium ... -1.5353736
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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by DNS » Tue May 15, 2018 3:35 am

DooDoot wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:58 am
Judah had already divorced itself from Israel. The Hebrew individuals that remained from the Ten Tribes of Israel (mostly Benjaminites) were absorbed into Judah, with their Levite priests. Therefore, the nation created in 1948 via funding the new US President Truman should probably be called "Judah" rather than "Israel".
Correct. Perhaps the only Israelites remaining who didn't get absorbed into Judah are the Samaritans. Only about 800 of them left. They are very peaceful and never left the Levant.

Moving the embassy puts the peace process back many years. The embassy was in Tel Aviv, which is only about 69 km from Jerusalem, so the whole move is purely symbolic to please the American Jews and the Israelis. In some large cities, you can drive 69 km without even leaving the city or its suburbs.

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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by DooDoot » Tue May 15, 2018 6:25 am

U.S. Blocks Security Council Statement Calling for Investigation Into Gaza Violence

Kuwaiti statement called for 'independent and transparent investigation' into deaths in Gaza, which saw the bloodiest day in the enclave since 2014

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s ... gn=General
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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Kamran » Tue May 15, 2018 3:02 pm

The media is framing the "deaths" as a result of "clashes".

It looks like there weren't actually any clashes. All the Palestinians that were killed by Israelis were on thier own side of the fence, peacefully protesting.

"Why is it so hard to admit that the Israeli army, and Israeli squatter settlers, routinely kill Palestinians? (If you follow daily news from the West Bank, there is a low intensity conflict there with serious incidents every day.) The current neofascist Israeli government even has adopted a doctrine that Palestinians may be killed at will even when they pose no danger to anyone, if they aren’t doing what Israelis tell them to do."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/palest ... aelis.html
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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Bundokji » Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm

Kamran wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 3:02 pm
The media is framing the "deaths" as a result of "clashes".

It looks like there weren't actually any clashes. All the Palestinians that were killed by Israelis were on thier own side of the fence, peacefully protesting.

"Why is it so hard to admit that the Israeli army, and Israeli squatter settlers, routinely kill Palestinians? (If you follow daily news from the West Bank, there is a low intensity conflict there with serious incidents every day.) The current neofascist Israeli government even has adopted a doctrine that Palestinians may be killed at will even when they pose no danger to anyone, if they aren’t doing what Israelis tell them to do."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/palest ... aelis.html
In July 2017, a security guard at the Israeli embassy in Amman killed two Jordanian citizens, one is 17 year old boy who was a carpenter, and the other is the landlord of the apartment where the incident happened. According to the Israeli version of the story, the 17 year old attempted to stab the Israeli security guard with a screw driver.

The Israeli security guard is very well trained (i heard that he served in the special forces), and he could have neutralized the 17 year old attacker very easily using martial arts or shooting him in the leg. He also killed the landlord who is renting him the apartment. The Israelis claim that the killing of the landlord was by mistake.

Upon the return of the Israeli security guard to Israel, The Israeli prime minister made sure to welcome him as a hero, offending a neighboring country that have always had a relatively good relationship with Israel. They do not only deny excessive use of force, but becoming increasingly defiant, rude and unapologetic about it.

Israelis were never like that. When the Sabra and Shatila Massacre that took place during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s, more than 400,000 Israelis demonstrated against it, and asked for their defense minister at that time (Sharon) to resign. Nowadays, they became heartless and in the process of completely losing their minds, unfortunately. The occupation is decaying the state of Israel from within.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and ... a_massacre

https://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thesp ... ra-Shatila

When you have a super power justifying your actions and protecting your wrong doings, this becomes more understandable:

And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by JiWe2 » Tue May 15, 2018 6:57 pm

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Mon May 14, 2018 10:00 pm
The "true" capital is in Shechem. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah, not Israel, but Judah dominated in the end and made Jerusalem the capital for the whole kingdom.
Shechem was the site where the Lord gave the Canaanite's land to Abraham's offspring:
Genesis 12:

1 The LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your na­tive land and from your father's house to the land that I will show you.
2-4 [...]
5 Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother's son Lot, and all the wealth that they had amassed, and the persons that they had acquired in Haran; and they set out for the land of Canaan. When they arrived in the land of Canaan,
6 Abram passed through the land as far as the site of Shechem, at the terebinth of Moreh. The Canaanites were then in the land.
7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "I will assign this land to your offspring." And he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.
When you need a place to live, it's good to have a God, or Western powers, with land assigning rights on your side.

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Post by Kamran » Tue May 15, 2018 7:47 pm

Bundokji wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm

Israelis were never like that. When the Sabra and Shatila Massacre that took place during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s, more than 400,000 Israelis demonstrated against it, and asked for their defense minister at that time (Sharon) to resign. Nowadays, they became heartless and in the process of completely losing their minds, unfortunately. The occupation is decaying the state of Israel from within.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and ... a_massacre

That's an interesting point.

The West and Israel dont even pretend to care or want the support from any of the poeple living in the region.

It's as if they think they can can control the region through force alone.

I think end of Soviet Union removed a restraint and being (temporarily) the sole super power has made them delusional about what they can achieve militarily.

In fact, they are losing one country after another to thier enemy, and turning Israel into a place that most Israelis won't want to live.
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Bundokji wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm
Israelis were never like that. When the Sabra and Shatila Massacre that took place during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s, more than 400,000 Israelis demonstrated against it
Yes, this is true. I've seen them go more hard-line and violent over the years. The days of David Ben-Gurion, Yithak Rabin, Shimon Peres are over and we have hardliners in power and staying in power. Israel has become divided among the religious and the secular and many of the secular Jews are leaving to Europe and the U.S. so what they are left with are the religious extremists, i.e. those more prone to incite violence.

In 1978 שלום עכשיו‬ (peace now) was created in Israel calling for a 2 state solution. I haven't heard much about them in recent years, perhaps losing support.

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Post by Bundokji » Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:06 pm
Bundokji wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm
Israelis were never like that. When the Sabra and Shatila Massacre that took place during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s, more than 400,000 Israelis demonstrated against it
Yes, this is true. I've seen them go more hard-line and violent over the years. The days of David Ben-Gurion, Yithak Rabin, Shimon Peres are over and we have hardliners in power and staying in power. Israel has become divided among the religious and the secular and many of the secular Jews are leaving to Europe and the U.S. so what they are left with are the religious extremists, i.e. those more prone to incite violence.

In 1978 שלום עכשיו‬ (peace now) was created in Israel calling for a 2 state solution. I haven't heard much about them in recent years, perhaps losing support.
The peace camp have not died in Israel, but currently inactive. The Arab mistakes over the years and the failure of Oslo have weakened liberalism in the Jewish state.

Most of my Israeli colleagues are from Tel Aviv and they told me that during the last election, they could not believe that Bibi won as they did not know anyone who voted for him. It seems that radicals have a lot of support in smaller cities and some areas in Jerusalem.

What saddens me is that war does not differentiate between the good and the bad. Israel was incapable of winning any war conclusively since 1967, and the upcoming war with Iran and Hizbullah, Buddha forbids, is going to be devastating and might endanger the lives of many good people living in Israel as well as the region.
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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Kamran » Wed May 16, 2018 12:27 am

War between Iran and Israel is unlikely despite the press reports.

1. In Syria Putin will allow some tit for tat between Iran and Israel but he needs Iran and Hezbollah to keep Assad in power.

2. A war with Iran would mean a mass exodus of Israelis from the country. Already, demographics is thier week point ( Israeli Arabs are set to be majority in a couoke decades).

Israel can be defeated demographically - they are not having kids. And no one wants to live under threat of missiles and terrorism

3. They aren't neighbors. Iran is far enough to make it logistally difficult for Israel. And Iran's neighbors won't allow Israeli bases.

What is scarey is how Israel will deal with the demographic reality of a majority Arab Israeli population.

They gave to ethnically cleanse them somehow to remain a Jewish state
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Kamran wrote:
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What is scarey is how Israel will deal with the demographic reality of a majority Arab Israeli population.
I'm not 100% sure, as I'm not an expert on Israeli law and their Constitution, but I think they have that figured out by only granting limited rights to non-Jews. They can run for office, but have some limits, IIRC. And that raises some human rights issues and then accusations of apartheid. That is why the 2 state solution is the best option. If they grant the Arabs full rights, they will be outnumbered as you noted. If they don't give them full rights, they will face opposition from the rest of the world. 2 fully independent states is the best solution for all. Go back to the UN 1947 partition agreement with Jerusalem an international zone; not exactly an original or innovative idea, but the best solution, imo.

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Re: Ivanka Trump arrives to watch the slaughter

Post by Bundokji » Wed May 16, 2018 4:46 am

The real demographic danger for Israel is not from the Israeli Arabs, but from the ultra orthodox who have very high fertility rates and they don't work, depend on subsidies and don't serve in the army.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

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