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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Mr Man » Tue May 15, 2018 6:43 am

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Race is irrelevant to the situation.

How do you know that?

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by retrofuturist » Tue May 15, 2018 6:45 am

Greetings,
Mr Man wrote:
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retrofuturist wrote:
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Race is irrelevant to the situation.
How do you know that?
Person A calls the police because they witness Persons B & C breaking the law.

Must the operation of law and order be perverted based on immutable characteristics of these persons, or does the concept of "blind justice" still apply?

Or has the West degraded so far that "blind justice" is no longer even desired, let alone delivered?

Has the cancer of moral relativism infected too many minds?

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Mr Man » Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 am

Paul, you asserted
retrofuturist wrote: Race is irrelevant to the situation.
How do you know that?

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by retrofuturist » Tue May 15, 2018 6:55 am

Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 am
Paul, you asserted
retrofuturist wrote: Race is irrelevant to the situation.
How do you know that?
Because I concisely summarized the situation from a legal perspective.

Namely, "Person A calls the police because they witness Persons B & C breaking the law."

Again, when someone is breaking the law, it is still breaking the law, regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, and so forth.

If you wish for it to be otherwise, do please present your case to us.

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Mr Man » Tue May 15, 2018 7:11 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:55 am
Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 am
Paul, you asserted
retrofuturist wrote: Race is irrelevant to the situation.
How do you know that?
Because I concisely summarized the situation from a legal perspective.

Namely, "Person A calls the police because they witness Persons B & C breaking the law."

Again, when someone is breaking the law, it is still breaking the law, regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, and so forth.

If you wish for it to be otherwise, do please present your case to us.

Metta,
Paul. :)
The legal perspective does not mean that race is irrelevant to the situation (Were they even breaking the law?).

According to the report (below the you tube video on you tube) a racial epithet was used.
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Kamran » Tue May 15, 2018 7:24 am

Mr Man wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:11 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:55 am
Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 am
Paul, you asserted



How do you know that?
Because I concisely summarized the situation from a legal perspective.

Namely, "Person A calls the police because they witness Persons B & C breaking the law."

Again, when someone is breaking the law, it is still breaking the law, regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, and so forth.

If you wish for it to be otherwise, do please present your case to us.

Metta,
Paul. :)
The legal perspective does not mean that race is irrelevant to the situation (Were they even breaking the law).

According to the report (below the you tube video on you tube) a racial epithet was used.
The police did not issue a citation. The black family did not break the law according to the police.

In fact, A huge BBQ Cook out was held at the same location.

The police did not issue any citations.

http://www.newsweek.com/racism-oakland- ... nia-923492

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by retrofuturist » Tue May 15, 2018 8:09 am

Greetings Kamran,
Kamran wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:24 am
The police did not issue a citation. The black family did not break the law according to the police.

The police did not issue any citations.
Given that we're talking about a corrupt, socialist state that aids and abets illegal aliens and their criminal activities, I wouldn't read too much into that. After all, this is the same state where a mayor told local police to stand down so conservatives could get pummeled during riots, just a year ago. I see from your article that a mayoral candidate is sticking his nose in here too, actively discouraging people from calling the police, lest law and order actually be enforced, and people are made to be responsible for their own actions.

Corruption, lawlessness and degeneracy aside, legitimate suspicion of a violation or crime being committed ought to be sufficient grounds to justify calling the police. Knowing in advance whether the police will deem that action is necessary in a particular instance seems to be beyond the scope of what one could reasonably expect of a caller.

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Paul. :)
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by lyndon taylor » Tue May 15, 2018 8:48 am

the white woman called the police to report that black people were trespassing at the park, they were not, the caller was making a frivolous call to law enforcement and should have been arrested for wasting the police's time.
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Justsit » Tue May 15, 2018 12:50 pm

I think that it is very difficult for those not living in the US to understand just how deeply racism pervades every level of US society. Our country was torn apart by a vicious Civil War fought over slavery of black people, and the repercussions persist even until today. There is no denying that racism is a huge problem here - especially if you are black. It may not be implicated in every instance of interracial conflict, but denying it exists doesn't mean it doesn't happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in ... ted_States

Consider the cases I cited previously - would the police have been called if the subjects of the calls had been white?
In all likelihood, no. And in those cases, there were no legal transgressions involved to complicate the matter.

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Kamran » Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:09 am
Greetings Kamran,

Corruption, lawlessness and degeneracy aside, legitimate suspicion of a violation or crime being committed ought to be sufficient grounds to justify calling the police. Knowing in advance whether the police will deem that action is necessary in a particular instance seems to be beyond the scope of what one could reasonably expect of a caller.

Metta,
Paul. :)
They were peacefully barbequeing at the lake in a spot specifically designated for that very purpose :)

Don't you think "corrupt" and "degenerate" are better fit to the guy that ran that sham Trump University and brags about assaulting women ?
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by rightviewftw » Tue May 15, 2018 2:54 pm

I am gonna argue a different take on it and say that if one goes on to reproach someone for grilling in the wrong place and they are being dismissive then the optimal behavior is to shrug it off and move along, surely appealing to authority and enforcing the regulations is not something expected at this point. So it is probably due to a conditioned predisposition for aversion and ill-will.

I still think people are being trolled with this racist non-sense, i think racism is a loosely defined term that is nowadays rather successfully is being used to shame and predatorize people first and foremost. Classical racism is actually a rather rare set of beliefs nowadays but i expect most people to differentiate and generalize between the in and out groups based on race under certain circumstances.

In case of this woman let's assume that she would go as far as saying "dem blacks are acting as if they own the place so i called the cops". Even in that case unless she thinks that all black people are the same etc, she is not really a racist but is rather poorly expressing frustration and ill-will, as well as generalizing on account of what would be called "tribalism" and delusion in general. It is kind of hard to explain this but acting and thinking in racist ways is a poor diagnostical tool for a set of beliefs that would be deemed inherently racist.

Generalizations and conventions are in general useful but sometimes they are way off.

This is also why people may seem and act racist but still claim to have friends of other race and or admire individuals from the out-group. Has to do with conditioned perception, generalization and reinforcement.

Perhaps a couple of good terms would be "conventional racism" and "effective racism" or similar, think prison enviroment for illustration. How i see it is that what happens in prisons is kind of happening on the outside as well but on a more subtle level.
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by rightviewftw » Tue May 15, 2018 4:01 pm

I think that changing the general population tendencies and making society less racist is akin to abolishing caste-system in the times of the Buddha, it can be temporarily achieved to a degree but will require incredibly non-delusional and influential individuals.
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by DNS » Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 pm

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Whether she was racist or not, we don't know. We do know that she created a very dangerous situation over a trifling matter.
I agree, we can't know from the information we have. If she would called the police on white people doing the same thing, then it would appear race is not an issue. If she only calls on black people having a bbq then it would be racism, but with the information we have, we don't know how she would have reacted to white people having a bbq.

I agree that she called the police over a trifling matter, so is blameworthy in that regard. The person taking the video also shares some blame in making a spectacle of the situation. If it was left for the police, the police would most likely have dismissed it peacefully.

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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by rightviewftw » Tue May 15, 2018 4:11 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 pm
If she would called the police on white people doing the same thing, then it would appear race is not an issue. If she only calls on black people having a bbq then it would be racism, but with the information we have, we don't know how she would have reacted to white people having a bbq.
Id like to extrapolate on this
Other matters of interest are
how it would play out had the woman been black
how it would play out if the the men were white being reproached by a black woman
how it would play out if the the men were white being reproached by a white woman
how the public reacts in the variations
how the media reacts in the variations

analysis of a few hundred simulations would be a contrast to this race-bait of a "news story"
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Re: VIDEO: White woman calls police on Blacks having a BBQ at the lake.

Post by Pseudobabble » Tue May 15, 2018 8:20 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:11 pm
Id like to extrapolate on this
Other matters of interest are
how it would play out had the woman been black
how it would play out if the the men were white being reproached by a black woman
how it would play out if the the men were white being reproached by a white woman
how the public reacts in the variations
how the media reacts in the variations

analysis of a few hundred simulations would be a contrast to this race-bait of a "news story"
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