grigoris wrote: ↑
Wed May 09, 2018 12:59 pm
Nope. That is a political theory. Actually, there is just as much evidence for the natural order being one of mutual aid, as one of hierarchical dominance.
Consider the lion. Always get eaten by worms in the end.
You have conceded that there is a natural order, which was my point. This is not theory - every system has a default state, its just a fact. That the natural order includes both domination and
symbiosis is pretty certain, I agree.
Everyone sets the rules.
No they don't. Take Trump's latest shenanigans, do you think that the majority of Amerikans want a war with Iran and wanted out of the treaty? No. The power structures that exist now (oligarchical) make it possible for a lone psychopath to make the rules and oblige everybody else to follow. But no worries. the worms will get him in the end too.
You forget that he took plenty of votes. Besides, the populace can force the government to back down, even out of a war - Vietnam. Everything is convention
. People go along with things, and that is why they happen. When enough people no longer go along with them, no amount of law-making can force the issue. If you make a law, and nobody follows it, then the law may as well have never have been made. People determine which rules are actual rules, by following them. If the rule isn't followed, it isn't a rule.
No. Asserting that skin colour and economic status are directly, causally, linked, is racism - saying that skin colour is somehow the cause of poverty, that is racism.
No it is not.
So you think there is something inherent in skin pigmentation (levels of melanin in the skin) which affects wealth level? How does that work?
There is no such thing as 'structural racism'.
Yes there is. I provided a number of examples.
No, you provided some words. Let's try again. Racism has existed in all different types of political/social structure: fascist systems, communist systems, liberal systems, etc. That by itself, by example, is enough to show that racism is not an aspect of 'structure' (whatever that might mean).
But lets keep going - what exactly is a structure? From the OED: 'The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex'.
And what is racism? Again, from the OED: 'Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.' And more generally: 'The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.'
There is really no sense in which an 'arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex' can have 'antagonism directed against someone of a different race'. To begin with, a structure is an abstract entity - it has no intentionality or consciousness, so it cannot be antagonistic towards anyone, nor can it hold prejudices. Further, relating to the second definition, a structure (being an abstract entity) cannot hold any beliefs, let alone 'The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities.. etc'.
So, given that a structure cannot hold beliefs, and racism is a belief or set of beliefs, its pretty clear that a structure cannot be racist, and therefore, there is no such thing as 'structural racism'.
Plus, you could eliminate the structure without eliminating the potential for racism, which resides in the individual person's attitude...
The potential for equality is equally present, social and political structures can act as obstacles (or aids) to it's expression.
I don't know what this means.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.
' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha