Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:41 pm

Back to topic: this is how healthy nations should react to government corruption and lie:

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:17 am

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Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:20 pm
In US they have Elons Musks and Marks Zuckerbergs, while here we have..
Zuckerberg has some similarities to the old Cheka or KGB, in that his organisation spies on & censors people. Also, it is reported wherever he lives, he causes trouble for his neighbours. As for Musk, my impression is he has not made any profit yet but possibly has taken advantage of US govt subsidies in a socialist manner. I can't imagine Musk completing with BMW & VW once they decide on their future business plans. However, I do recall after the collapse of the Soviet Union that certain American supported oligarchs following American plans greatly impoverished Russia and Putin eventually improved things. :roll:


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Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:41 pm
Back to topic: this is how healthy nations should react to government corruption and lie:
The Armenians are obviously very united culturally of they can do this. I personally have many Armenian friends & they are very good people. It could never happen in the United States because the USA is culturally divided. I cannot imagine it happening in Russia because of the majority support for the current government. An excellent example is Syria. Despite attacked by billions of dollars in covert operations, the vast majority of the Syrian society remained united. As Bassar Al Assad said: "Good souls will not be humiliated". The good do not sell their souls for money & sex (Mara).


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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:52 am

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Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm
our "best friends" are Syria, Iran,
It seems ironic to love the West (who, with their partners Turkey & Saudi Arabia, destroyed pluralistic secular Syria with Wahhabi-Jihadi mercenaries) but then to claim to support Armenians who the Turks partially genocided for allegations of siding with Russia in WW1 and who the Syrians provided refuge and who the Russians recently saved in Aleppo Syria. After the Armenian genocide, 25% of Aleppo in Syria was Armenian. Some photos from this week's ceremonies in liberated Aleppo of Armenians (who the USA backed Turkish & Saudi terrorists tried to kill over the last few years). Btw. Armenians are generally Christian Orthodox.







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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Zom » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am

I cannot imagine it happening in Russia because of the majority support for the current government.
Actually, this is a typical myth. There is no such support. Armenian PM has same 76% of support as Putin had on last so-called "elections". ))
Mugabe support was 90%. And here are these 90% when he was removed from power:

And here are these 76% armenians after Serzh resignation:


And same you will see here in Russia in the end of Putin's Era. 8-)

But in the end, this does not really matter. Putin will resign when just 7-8% of Moscow (!) citizens go out on the street. So far maximum number was 1% (in 2011) and Putin was extremely shaken when this happened. He was full of fear.

Revolution is done not by majority, but by minority - always. This is because majority is a passive herd that doesn't care about anything.

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:37 pm

Zom wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am
And here are these 76% armenians after Serzh resignation:
I recall inferring using Armenians to support an anti-Orthodox Christian agenda appears illogical. My father was an Orthodox Christian and I know the character of Orthodox Christians, be they Armenian or Syrian Orthodox.
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am
Actually, this is a typical myth. There is no such support.
I prefer to trust my own judgment of Putin's character than rely on the views of a poster that promotes craving on a Buddhist chatsite and that believes Mark Zuckerberg is a better person than Putin.
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:15 pm
First Saudi Arabia...
In many suttas, the Buddha said bad kamma can result in the king executing or beheading the doer of bad kamma. :anjali:
The number of beheadings in Saudi Arabia during the first quarter of 2018 rose by over 70 percent in comparison with the corresponding period last year, a new report by a nonprofit organization says.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/2 ... -execution

In First 4 Months of the Year, Saudi Arabia Beheaded 48 And half of those people were charged with non-violent drug crimes

http://www.newser.com/story/258448/in-f ... ed-48.html
In AN 6.63, the Buddha said kamma is intention therefore it sounds like the unintentional killing below is OK. :namaste:
Most Killings of Palestinians During Gaza Protests Unintentional, Senior Israeli Officer Says

Most of the Israeli army’s killings of Palestinians during the Gaza-border protests have resulted from snipers aiming at demonstrators’ legs, with the killings an unintentional outcome after a protester bent down, a sniper missed, a bullet ricocheted or a similar phenomenon, a senior officer in the Southern Command said.

The Israeli army has killed 44 protesters since March 30; it cites its efforts to prevent a breach of the border fence as Gazans demonstrate in their “March of Return” each Friday.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.6034421
Natalie Portman, despite her angelic looks, commits the heinous crime of antisemitism; doomed for hell. :o
Natalie Portman's Boycott of Netanyahu Borders on anti-Semitism, Israeli Minister Says

Among widespread criticism from Israeli political sector includes Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan, who wrote Natalie Portman a letter with references to Star Wars imploring her 'not to let the dark side win'

Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said Israeli-American actress Natalie Portman’s decision not to accept the Genesis Prize and her statements on the matter border on anti-Semitism. Portman said she would not accept the award in the presence of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was scheduled to speak at the award ceremony to be held in Jerusalem.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isr ... -1.6014423
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This is called kamma that is dark with dark result. AN 4.235

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Zom » Wed May 02, 2018 2:15 pm

I prefer to trust my own judgment of Putin's character
Unfortunately, you know nothing about his character. If you want to know more, you must learn Russian and then examine thoroughly what he said and done. All non-brainwashed Russians are strongly against Putin, and there are reasons for that.

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Thu May 03, 2018 2:03 am

Zom wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 2:15 pm
Unfortunately, you know nothing about his character.
I judge him by his actions (kamma) internationally, which are far more consistent with the Buddha-Dhamma than than the actions of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton & Trump. Also, Putin's resistance to American Cultural Marxism & promotion of the moral social values of Orthodox Christianity is also more consistent with the Buddha-Dhamma. That is the bottom line for me, a non-Russian. As for your worldly lusts, they are your business. I left the Western world when I was 23 years old but unfortunately circumstances lead to my return. The Buddha delighted in forest groves. :meditate:
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All non-brainwashed Russians are strongly against Putin, and there are reasons for that.
It can't be so bad if these people are allowed by Putin to sulk like little children in public about their lusts. However, if you have a political cause, I would suggest to at least post a video in the English language or with English subtitles. So what are these people angry about? Did Putin block internet pornography & the Ponzi scheme called "Bitcoin"? Even Israel had the morality in 2016 to block open internet pornography. :smile: So the Russian govt blocked an internet app they believe holds a risk to the safety of the Russian society. Since the Russian govt does have a reasonable justification, however extreme, it seems to provide an opportunity for a negotiated & mutual outcome. I think this issue is not black & white. :yingyang:
The key demand of the rally, with the hashtag #DigitalResistance, was that the Russian internet remain free from government censorship.

“Telegram is just the first step,” Mr. Smirnov continued. “If they block Telegram, it will be worse later. They will block everything. They want to block our future and the future of our children :roll: .”
Promising its users protection from the prying eyes of intelligence services, Telegram has become one of the most popular instant messaging apps in the world.

But providing a platform that allows users to evade official scrutiny has brought its own problems. In recent years, the Islamic State has used Telegram to organize terrorism plots, disseminate propaganda and claim responsibility for attacks.

Now, citing national security, the governments of Iran and Russia are leading attempts to block the Telegram app.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/worl ... tance.html


It appears the following video, including interviews with the British Prime Minister, supports Putin's concern.



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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Zom » Thu May 03, 2018 12:01 pm

So what are these people angry about?
I've already said why they are angry: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=31755#p469106
I judge him by his actions (kamma) internationally, which are far more consistent with the Buddha-Dhamma than than the actions of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton & Trump. Also, Putin's resistance to American Cultural Marxism
Speaking of which... http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/201 ... n_r0_s.png 8-)
promotion of the moral social values of Orthodox Christianity
You mean corruption and hypocrisy? Because these are social values of both Putin and Russian Orthodox Church today.

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by binocular » Thu May 03, 2018 12:16 pm

Zom wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 2:15 pm
I prefer to trust my own judgment of Putin's character
Unfortunately, you know nothing about his character. If you want to know more, you must learn Russian and then examine thoroughly what he said and done. All non-brainwashed Russians are strongly against Putin, and there are reasons for that.
People get the government they deserve.
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Post by Zom » Thu May 03, 2018 12:43 pm

People get the government they deserve.
Probably so. However, I think new "internet" generation will demolish the system. Old soviet people still behave themselves like slaves waiting to be commanded - but "generation next" is very different. Returning to the topic - same happened in Armenia. All protestors are young (well, maybe not all, but a majority).

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Traveler8 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 pm

LOL at Western fanboys of Russia thinking there is some real substance in Russian conservatism as promoted by Putin. Despite of state support for the church and all the hoopla, Russians are in practice among the least religious people in the world. There are like 2% of believers going to church, American atheists likely go in larger percentage.

This 'conservatism' consist of absence of liberalism, no freedom of speech and no gay rights. Other than this there is far more prostitution, opioid abuse, alcoholism, abortions and AIDS than in the West. Half of million people yearly die from alcohol, there are more abortions than anywhere in the world, AIDS is on the level of Sub-Saharan Africa, while media is being silent about it. Also, there is huge influx of immigrants from central Asia, larger percentage of Muslims than anywhere in the West. Yet Putin's Western fanboys have nothing against it, but would cry out loud when Obama take in few thousands of Syrian refugees. I'm mentioning these things, because according to right-wingers, they are the signs that civilization is coming to its end. But apparently, they are only bad when happening in the West.

Funny thing I noticed, when you see some Putin's fanboy on the internet being very enthusiastic about him and edgy to his critics, then you can safely assume that he's not Russian but Western right-winger. Russians themselves tend to be more reasonable, even when supporting him. I have rarely seen them saying it's so awesome in Russia like Western fanboys are claiming. He's still supported by many people because things were far worse before him and because opposition is almost non-existent and incompetent. Others being horrible made him great in the eyes of many people.

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Fri May 04, 2018 2:28 am

Traveler8 wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 pm
LOL at Western fanboys of Russia thinking there is some real substance in Russian conservatism as promoted by Putin. Despite of state support for the church and all the hoopla, Russians are in practice among the least religious people in the world. There are like 2% of believers going to church, American atheists likely go in larger percentage.
This is illogical & irrelevant because that 2% of Russians may possibly go to church is unrelated to the personal character of Putin.
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This 'conservatism' consist of absence of liberalism, no freedom of speech and no gay rights.
The above is false. Since there are protests currently occurring in Russia there is obviously some free speech. Since being gay is not illegal in Russia there are obviously some gay rights in Russia. However, that Russia banned Gay Parades which the majority of Russian people are said to agree with (per Wikipedia) is consistent with Buddhist values, as taught in the Buddhist scriptures, where the Buddha discouraged overt public displays of sexuality.

Best to end the discussion here. In Buddhism, we try to engage in honest speech. While we cannot know the factualness of everything; we should attempt to speak as accurately as possible, particularly providing substantiation.
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Thu May 03, 2018 12:01 pm
Speaking of which... http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/201 ... n_r0_s.png 8-)
This is very relevant. People in a society, who disagree with the society, should try to leave & emigrate. For example, homosexuality is not related to the reality of what a "society" is, which is the reproduction of children & continuance of families. My two best friends where I live, who are homosexual, live exceptionally harmoniously with the community & are highly loved & cherished by our community. They do not push their homosexuality onto others & win the love of the community due to their helpfulness & kindness. Most children here love them. Therefore, most conservative societies will be against the public promotion of homosexuality if homosexuality is politicized. If I was a Russian homosexual & the majority of people in Russia are against homosexuality, I would leave Russia. For example, when I was 23 years old, I left the West because I saw nothing desirable in the West. At least from a Buddhist perspective, the "values" of Western mainstrean (corporate, Hollywood & porn) culture is Mara. The Buddhist suttas do not support Liberalism.
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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by alfa » Fri May 04, 2018 2:49 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:28 am
Traveler8 wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 pm
LOL at Western fanboys of Russia thinking there is some real substance in Russian conservatism as promoted by Putin. Despite of state support for the church and all the hoopla, Russians are in practice among the least religious people in the world. There are like 2% of believers going to church, American atheists likely go in larger percentage.
This is illogical & irrelevant because that 2% of Russians may possibly go to church is unrelated to the personal character of Putin.
Traveler8 wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 pm
This 'conservatism' consist of absence of liberalism, no freedom of speech and no gay rights.
The above is false. Since there are protests currently occurring in Russia there is obviously some free speech. Since being gay is not illegal in Russia there are obviously some gay rights in Russia. However, that Russia banned Gay Parades which the majority of Russian people are said to agree with (per Wikipedia) is consistent with Buddhist values, as taught in the Buddhist scriptures, where the Buddha discouraged overt public displays of sexuality.

Best to end the discussion here. In Buddhism, we try to engage in honest speech. While we cannot know the factualness of everything; we should attempt to speak as accurately as possible, particularly providing substantiation.
Zom wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 12:01 pm
Speaking of which... http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/201 ... n_r0_s.png 8-)
This is very relevant. People in a society, who disagree with the society, should try to leave & emigrate. For example, homosexuality is not related to the reality of what a "society" is, which is the reproduction of children & continuance of families. My two best friends where I live, who are homosexual, live exceptionally harmoniously with the community & are highly loved & cherished by our community. They do not push their homosexuality onto others & win the love of the community due to their helpfulness & kindness. Most children here love them. Therefore, most conservative societies will be against the public promotion of homosexuality if homosexuality is politicized. If I was a Russian homosexual & the majority of people in Russia are against homosexuality, I would leave Russia. For example, when I was 23 years old, I left the West because I saw nothing desirable in the West.
This seems rather insensitive. Not everyone is rich enough to just pack their bags and move some place else. Most people are prisoners of their environment, so changing the environment where they live would make more sense than leaving it behind.

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by DooDoot » Fri May 04, 2018 3:16 am

alfa wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:49 am
This seems rather insensitive. Not everyone is rich enough to just pack their bags and move some place else. Most people are prisoners of their environment, so changing the environment where they live would make more sense than leaving it behind.
For me, my post was not insensitive but realistic. I mentioned the crucial importance of homosexual people to live harmoniously & virtuously with a conservative culture because homosexuals, similar to Buddhist monks, often do not live & think in the same way as others. Much of the Vinaya (Rules for Monks) is based on monks interacting appropriately to an alien mainstream culture. Family-oriented people often do not want to have sexually decadent Parades in their community, be those Parades be homosexual or heterosexual. Family-oriented people often do not want homosexual literature given to their children; just as they do not want heterosexual pornography given to their children. If I had children, I would not want it. I have always supported homosexual people in my life but lately the politicization of homosexualty has gone too far, imo. Obviously, the Russians observe what is going on the West & don't want it. In short, in Buddhism, we develop the virtues to live harmoniously in whatever culture we are living in. Buddhism is about changing your own mind rather than changing the environment. The celebration of sensuality in the following video is not related to Buddhism. If homosexuality is promoted as mere sexual indulgence then it will not be supported by many people.


Since 2006, numerous regions in Russia have enacted varying laws restricting the distribution of materials promoting LGBT relationships to minors; in June 2013, a federal law criminalizing the distribution of materials among minors in support of "non-traditional" sexual relationships, was enacted as an amendment to an existing child protection law. The law has resulted in the numerous arrests of Russian LGBT citizens publicly opposing the law and there has reportedly been a surge of homophobic propaganda, violence and even hate crimes, many of whom use the law as justification. It has received international criticism from human rights observers, LGBT activists, and media outlets and has been viewed as de facto means of criminalizing LGBT culture. Russian historian and human rights activist Lyudmila Alexeyeva has called it "a step toward the Middle Ages." In January 2016, the State Duma rejected a proposal by the Communist Party to punish people who publicly express their homosexuality with fines and arrests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Zom » Fri May 04, 2018 1:41 pm

This is very relevant. People in a society, who disagree with the society, should try to leave & emigrate.
Society is irrelevant here. Government is relevant. People leave not because they are homosexual (I'm sure there is ~1% of such migrants), but because the whole country is deteriorating in all spheres: political, economical, social. And this happens more and more rapidly in the last ~3 years.

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