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Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:15 pm

Greetings,

Another victory for freedom! Another defeat for corruption!

Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate In Yerevan

First Saudi Arabia, then North Korea, now Armenia... who's next? Iran?

The world is changing, folks... blink and you might miss it.

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Post by Zom » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:12 am

Ye, very nice. Our country will be the last prolly. Too many tv-zombified people. When they all die out, young generation will do the change.

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Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:12 am
Ye, very nice. Our country will be the last prolly. Too many tv-zombified people. When they all die out, young generation will do the change.
What's wrong with your country? What do you want as an alternative? Lots of nice looking "young" ladies in this video.


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Post by Bundokji » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:41 am

I am not familiar with Armenian politics, but from what i know, it takes more than changing the head of a state to change the reality in a country. I also tend to believe that things are often the opposite of what they appear. What people celebrate today usually become a cause of misery in the future.

Time will reveal.
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Post by Zom » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm

What's wrong with your country?
1. Unimaginable corruption on all levels of government, including Putin himself with (at the very minimum) 2 billion dollars stolen money.
2. Neo-totalitarism, persecution of all political forces which offer an alternative to Putin. This results even in murders.
3. Religious persecution. Prozelitizm is stictly prohibitied (totally corrupted Russian Orthodox Church is an exception, of course).
4. Militaristic brainwashing TV-propaganda 24h/day for some last 18 years. 100% of all major TV channels are stictly controlled by the government.
5. Attempts to establish total control over Internet. Government bans many sites which are somehow opposed to it. Last bright example - Telegram ban. This crazy government machine banned even our Theravada site, well, not whole site, but one sutta.
6. Political isolationism in the world arena (every day we become similar to North Korea, and our "best friends" are Syria, Iran, and Venezuela).
7. Degenerative economy, industry, medicine, science (and all of this is a left-over from the USSR).
8. Terrible ecologic problems in many places. This resulted even in riots.
9. Drops in population income. 22 million of poor people with monthly income less than 160$ (these are official numbers). And notice, we are not India or Africa or South Asia, where climate allows to live under the tree and everything blossoms and grows all year around.
What do you want as an alternative?
Something better than that .) (where "something" will be almost everything 8-) )
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Post by rightviewftw » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm
i was planning to relocate there this year, now not so tempted :thinking:
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Re: Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate

Post by Kamran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:03 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:15 pm
Greetings,

Another victory for freedom! Another defeat for corruption!

Armenian PM Sarkisian Resigns, Thousands Celebrate In Yerevan

First Saudi Arabia, then North Korea, now Armenia... who's next? Iran?

The world is changing, folks... blink and you might miss it.

:thumbsup:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Oh yeah Saudi Arabia and N. Korea have changes so much they are almost unregnizable - I hear they are walking around in bikinis now :)
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Post by DooDoot » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:25 am

Kamran wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:03 am
Oh yeah Saudi Arabia and N. Korea have changes so much they are almost unregnizable - I hear they are walking around in bikinis now :)
I recall the Dhammapada suggests to focus on one's own faults. I just received this relevant marketing email about the USA. :|
Since the Great Recession, the U.S. economy has been operating on borrowed time... and the next crash will be far worse than anyone imagines.
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm
1. Unimaginable corruption on all levels of government, including Putin himself with (at the very minimum) 2 billion dollars stolen money.
And this is not occurring in most nations, particularly Western nations? Below, $2 trillion.



Or humble Australia, now with Goldman Sachs Prime Minister:
By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas. In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields. According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... ryaoi.html
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2. Neo-totalitarism, persecution of all political forces which offer an alternative to Putin. This results even in murders.
Any evidence who murdered the man?
3. Religious persecution. Prozelitizm is stictly prohibitied (totally corrupted Russian Orthodox Church is an exception, of course).
Proselytizing of false religion; such as Protestantism (salvation by faith alone) or Left-Wing-Buddhism. Since Buddhists are forbidden to publicly proselytize whats the problem?
4. Militaristic brainwashing TV-propaganda 24h/day for some last 18 years. 100% of all major TV channels are stictly controlled by the government.
Sounds the same as the USA; now even in Australia, such as here. Notice the video by the Aust govt media propaganda bipolar supports ISIS & the Jihadists. (Note, the video is a lie, given most Jihadists have departed on govt busess and those remaining won't surrender).
5. Attempts to establish total control over Internet. Government bans many sites which are somehow opposed to it. Last bright example - Telegram ban.
Poltical bans are happening all over Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
This crazy government machine banned even our Theravada site, well, not whole site, but one sutta.
Sutta Central has banned posts that may promote suicide.
6. Political isolationism in the world arena (every day we become similar to North Korea, and our "best friends" are Syria, Iran, and Venezuela).
Syria is a nation of good people. Iran follows religious law. Regardless, Russia is protecting the sovereignty of these countries & not harming them. Obviously, you sound oblivious to the destruction of Libya & Syria done by the US-Coalition.
7. Degenerative economy, industry, medicine, science (and all of this is a left-over from the USSR).
Sounds like the USA.
8. Terrible ecologic problems in many places. This resulted even in riots.
Any different to other places?
9. Drops in population income. 22 million of poor people with monthly income less than 160$ (these are official numbers). And notice, we are not India or Africa or South Asia, where climate allows to live under the tree and everything blossoms and grows all year around.
I just received this marketing email about the USA, which sounds similar. Except its different because the USA is not attacked by external engineered trade sanctions & low oil prices.
More Russians have been slipping into poverty on the back of the Western sanctions and low oil prices that have battered the country’s energy-dependent economy and significantly diminished purchasing power.
Also, I doubt the following has occurred in Russia:
In fact, the average American now has $17,887 LESS income than they did in 1980.

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:42 pm

If everything sounds so similar to you, consider this one little fact:

Thousands of Russians migrate to US every year (~250.000 Russians are playing annual "Green Card" lottery for US citizenship).
No americans migrate to Russia every year 8-)

The only people who migrate to Russia are those from broken USSR satellites like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc, where life is even worse.

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Post by Saengnapha » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:01 pm

Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm
What's wrong with your country?
1. Unimaginable corruption on all levels of government, including Putin himself with (at the very minimum) 2 billion dollars stolen money.
2. Neo-totalitarism, persecution of all political forces which offer an alternative to Putin. This results even in murders.
3. Religious persecution. Prozelitizm is stictly prohibitied (totally corrupted Russian Orthodox Church is an exception, of course).
4. Militaristic brainwashing TV-propaganda 24h/day for some last 18 years. 100% of all major TV channels are stictly controlled by the government.
5. Attempts to establish total control over Internet. Government bans many sites which are somehow opposed to it. Last bright example - Telegram ban. This crazy government machine banned even our Theravada site, well, not whole site, but one sutta.
6. Political isolationism in the world arena (every day we become similar to North Korea, and our "best friends" are Syria, Iran, and Venezuela).
7. Degenerative economy, industry, medicine, science (and all of this is a left-over from the USSR).
8. Terrible ecologic problems in many places. This resulted even in riots.
9. Drops in population income. 22 million of poor people with monthly income less than 160$ (these are official numbers). And notice, we are not India or Africa or South Asia, where climate allows to live under the tree and everything blossoms and grows all year around.
What do you want as an alternative?
Something better than that .) (where "something" will be almost everything 8-) )
My family hailed from Kiev and Minsk. They migrated to the USA around 1917. I have never felt any attraction to visit Russia or the former USSR, except maybe the Central Asian areas and your lovely St. Petersburg. I have never ever met a westerner who told me they wanted to live in Russia or were immigrating there. The idea of it is almost non-existent in the western world unless maybe your a jihadi and wanted to fight alongside the Chechens. I must say the best thing I've seen from Russia are the women so all may not be lost. :D

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:56 pm

My family hailed from Kiev and Minsk. They migrated to the USA around 1917.
Lucky for you ) The best people keep migrating from here all the time. Best scientists, best technicians, best "minds". As one famous russian rocker (who's been in its every corner) said - Russia is full of wonderful people, however, we are historically cursed with those who govern the country. Our prime minister publicly said that if our school teachers are not happy with their salaries (~200-250$ per month in the regions), they should go into business. What else to say.
I must say the best thing I've seen from Russia
The most beautiful I ever met on the streets were those in Moscow. (Surprisingly. Or maybe not) 8-)

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Post by DooDoot » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:50 pm

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:42 pm
If everything sounds so similar to you, consider this one little fact:

Thousands of Russians migrate to US every year (~250.000 Russians are playing annual "Green Card" lottery for US citizenship).
No americans migrate to Russia every year 8-)
So greed is the mark of what is right & true? :roll:
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The best people keep migrating from here all the time. Best scientists, best technicians, best "minds".
The "best" are the arahants. As for the "best" Russian "minds", are they engaged in Right Livelihood in the USA or primarily engaged in the wrong livelihood working for unwholesome industries, such as weapons & military development? If Russia was so bad, how did these emigrants obtain their in-demand qualifications? :shrug:
A notable part of the 1991—2001 immigration wave consisted of scientists and engineers who, faced with extremely poor job market at home coupled with the government unwilling to index fixed salaries according to inflation or even to make salary payments on time, left to pursue their careers abroad. This coincided with the surge of hi-tech industry in the United States, creating a strong brain drain effect. According to the National Science Foundation, there were 20,000 Russian scientists working in the United States in 2003, and the Russian software engineers were responsible for 30% of Microsoft products in 2002. Skilled professionals often command a significantly higher wage in the US than in Russia. The number of Russian migrants with university educations is higher than that of US natives and other foreign born groups.

51% of lawful Russian migrants obtain permanent residence from immediate family member of US citizens, 20% obtain it from the Diversity Lottery, 18% obtain it through employment, 6% are family sponsored, and 5% are refugee and asylum seekers.

The Soviet Union was a sports empire, and many prominent Russian sportspeople found great acclaim and rewards for their skills in the United States. Examples are Alexander Ovechkin, Alexandre Volchkov, and Andrei Kirilenko. Nastia Liukin was born in Moscow, but came to America with her parents as a young child, and developed as a champion gymnast in the U.S. Maria Sharapova moved to the United States at the age of seven.

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm

So greed is the mark of what is right & true?
Poverty and slavery is not a mark of rightness for sure .) But, anyway, does this statement of yours mean that americans have less greed than russians, since no one among them wants to go to Russia? )))
If Russia was so bad, how did these emigrants obtain their in-demand qualifications?
For now its not so much about obtaining, rather about application. But soon, with the degradation of education (which is rapidly going on), will be about obtaining as well.

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Post by DooDoot » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 pm

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm
Poverty and slavery is not a mark of rightness for sure
Sounds like an exaggeration to me. Also, lots of poverty in the USA.

https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/what-cu ... ted-states
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mad ... 19e104c8cc
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/opin ... tates.html

Photograps of USA tent cities

For now its not so much about obtaining, rather about application. But soon, with the degradation of education (which is rapidly going on), will be about obtaining as well.
USA is the same. Plus a university education in the US may cost US$50,000. Today, over 44 million Americans hold a total of $1.4 trillion in student debt. My Australian university education cost me basically zero but today the same degree costs around AUD$30,000.

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:20 pm

Sounds like an exaggeration to me.
22 mln of people with salary less than 160$ per month. Where's exaggeration in that?
Also, lots of poverty in the USA.

https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/what-cu ... ted-states
US poverty differs from Russian .) From this link: 2016 poverty thresholds were: $12,486 for a single individual under age 65 (1041$ per month). So poor americans are 10 times richer than russian ones.
USA is the same.
In US they have Elons Musks and Marks Zuckerbergs, while here we have.. emm.. emm... perhaps only this.

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:41 pm

Back to topic: this is how healthy nations should react to government corruption and lie:

8-)

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Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:20 pm
In US they have Elons Musks and Marks Zuckerbergs, while here we have..
Zuckerberg has some similarities to the old Cheka or KGB, in that his organisation spies on & censors people. Also, it is reported wherever he lives, he causes trouble for his neighbours. As for Musk, my impression is he has not made any profit yet but possibly has taken advantage of US govt subsidies in a socialist manner. I can't imagine Musk completing with BMW & VW once they decide on their future business plans. However, I do recall after the collapse of the Soviet Union that certain American supported oligarchs following American plans greatly impoverished Russia and Putin eventually improved things. :roll:


Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:41 pm
Back to topic: this is how healthy nations should react to government corruption and lie:
The Armenians are obviously very united culturally of they can do this. I personally have many Armenian friends & they are very good people. It could never happen in the United States because the USA is culturally divided. I cannot imagine it happening in Russia because of the majority support for the current government. An excellent example is Syria. Despite attacked by billions of dollars in covert operations, the vast majority of the Syrian society remained united. As Bassar Al Assad said: "Good souls will not be humiliated". The good do not sell their souls for money & sex (Mara).


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Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:36 pm
our "best friends" are Syria, Iran,
It seems ironic to love the West (who, with their partners Turkey & Saudi Arabia, destroyed pluralistic secular Syria with Wahhabi-Jihadi mercenaries) but then to claim to support Armenians who the Turks partially genocided for allegations of siding with Russia in WW1 and who the Syrians provided refuge and who the Russians recently saved in Aleppo Syria. After the Armenian genocide, 25% of Aleppo in Syria was Armenian. Some photos from this week's ceremonies in liberated Aleppo of Armenians (who the USA backed Turkish & Saudi terrorists tried to kill over the last few years). Btw. Armenians are generally Christian Orthodox.







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Post by Zom » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am

I cannot imagine it happening in Russia because of the majority support for the current government.
Actually, this is a typical myth. There is no such support. Armenian PM has same 76% of support as Putin had on last so-called "elections". ))
Mugabe support was 90%. And here are these 90% when he was removed from power:

And here are these 76% armenians after Serzh resignation:


And same you will see here in Russia in the end of Putin's Era. 8-)

But in the end, this does not really matter. Putin will resign when just 7-8% of Moscow (!) citizens go out on the street. So far maximum number was 1% (in 2011) and Putin was extremely shaken when this happened. He was full of fear.

Revolution is done not by majority, but by minority - always. This is because majority is a passive herd that doesn't care about anything.

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Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:37 pm

Zom wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am
And here are these 76% armenians after Serzh resignation:
I recall inferring using Armenians to support an anti-Orthodox Christian agenda appears illogical. My father was an Orthodox Christian and I know the character of Orthodox Christians, be they Armenian or Syrian Orthodox.
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 am
Actually, this is a typical myth. There is no such support.
I prefer to trust my own judgment of Putin's character than rely on the views of a poster that promotes craving on a Buddhist chatsite and that believes Mark Zuckerberg is a better person than Putin.
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:15 pm
First Saudi Arabia...
In many suttas, the Buddha said bad kamma can result in the king executing or beheading the doer of bad kamma. :anjali:
The number of beheadings in Saudi Arabia during the first quarter of 2018 rose by over 70 percent in comparison with the corresponding period last year, a new report by a nonprofit organization says.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/2 ... -execution

In First 4 Months of the Year, Saudi Arabia Beheaded 48 And half of those people were charged with non-violent drug crimes

http://www.newser.com/story/258448/in-f ... ed-48.html
In AN 6.63, the Buddha said kamma is intention therefore it sounds like the unintentional killing below is OK. :namaste:
Most Killings of Palestinians During Gaza Protests Unintentional, Senior Israeli Officer Says

Most of the Israeli army’s killings of Palestinians during the Gaza-border protests have resulted from snipers aiming at demonstrators’ legs, with the killings an unintentional outcome after a protester bent down, a sniper missed, a bullet ricocheted or a similar phenomenon, a senior officer in the Southern Command said.

The Israeli army has killed 44 protesters since March 30; it cites its efforts to prevent a breach of the border fence as Gazans demonstrate in their “March of Return” each Friday.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.6034421
Natalie Portman, despite her angelic looks, commits the heinous crime of antisemitism; doomed for hell. :o
Natalie Portman's Boycott of Netanyahu Borders on anti-Semitism, Israeli Minister Says

Among widespread criticism from Israeli political sector includes Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan, who wrote Natalie Portman a letter with references to Star Wars imploring her 'not to let the dark side win'

Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said Israeli-American actress Natalie Portman’s decision not to accept the Genesis Prize and her statements on the matter border on anti-Semitism. Portman said she would not accept the award in the presence of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was scheduled to speak at the award ceremony to be held in Jerusalem.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isr ... -1.6014423
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This is called kamma that is dark with dark result. AN 4.235

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