Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Bundokji » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:49 am

The justification for this military action (which is extremely likely to happen) is absurd. I personally don't believe that the Assad regime used chemical weapons. They were gaining control over Ghouta anyway, so this is all about saving the west's face after failing to achieve their objectives in Syria.

This military action will also give more excuses to the US administration to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal in May as Iran is a main supporter of the Assad regime. Israel will be rewarded for its latest strike by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem also in May.

The US lost trillions of dollars during the Iraq war and trump declared that the war in Syria (in which the US was not much involved) costed the US 70 billion dollars. It seems to me that the end of the US as a super power will be due to its misadventures in the Middle East, and innocent human beings will have to pay the price for that both from the US and the Middle East.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Polar Bear » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:56 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:22 am
Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
Except there's one little but very important nuance to consider - that is - Putin's sanity. After 18 years of ultimate power he is a bit... well... doesn't really see things according to reality 8-)
Watch out Zom :spy: , the Ministry of State Security might send you to gulag for that comment.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Zom » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am

Watch out Zom :spy: , the Ministry of State Security might send you to gulag for that comment.
I do -) No, really, if I'm writing comments somewhere in ru-net, I do keep that (though tiny) possibility in mind, because that kind of a witch hunt is going on here for quite some time and there are real cases where common people were jailed because of their internet postings or even reposts. I know, sounds crazy, but this is happening.
The justification for this military action (which is extremely likely to happen) is absurd. I personally don't believe that the Assad regime used chemical weapons. They were gaining control over Ghouta anyway, so this is all about saving the west's face after failing to achieve their objectives in Syria.
From what I see, yes, this "attack" looks like a fake. I think this is a rare case where Russians are right.

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Bundokji » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:24 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am
From what I see, yes, this "attack" looks like a fake. I think this is a rare case where Russians are right.
Its not only the fact that it is fake that is annoying, but their lack of imagination to choose a more believable justification for their sick intentions.

At least Russians are honest enough not to justify their actions using shiny slogans. Russia has been supporting legitimacy in Syria and if they left Russia to handle the situation, the war would have ended long ago, but their shitty pride wont allow it.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

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Why is no topic here about the important events that are about to happen regarding Syria ?
Its been going on for 7 years now. In fact, its been going on since 11 September 2001. Around 17 years to work out what is going on. Its too late now to be concerned because the powers clearly know most of the people are gullible to lies & are apathetic. People don't know the Neo-Cons are descended from Trotskyites. Be prepared with Samatha-Vipassana for the Nuclear Age. Compassion is for trying to help. Equanimity is for when can't help. Neglecting freedom will probably lead to losing freedom. :meditate:
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Circle5 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:34 am

Update: 34 minutes ago Trump tweeted this:
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar ... _missiles/

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

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Circle5 wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:34 am
Update: 34 minutes ago Trump tweeted this:
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
Buddhism teaches to refrain from lying and to refrain from killing. The Buddha said in MN 61 there is no limit to the evil a deliberate liar can do. Assad obviously did not gas any people when the terrorists were 90% defeated & cleansed from Ghouta; when thousands of these terrorists & their families were allowed by Assad to leave on buses to a safe haven. Assad also allowed many more thousands of terrorists, in both Aleppo & Ghouta, to leave safely. The International Coalition spent billions of dollars in their war to destroy Syria & do not want to lose their investment. Dhamma is not about delighting & exhilarating about war but is about reflecting on the human cost & enormous suffering and the defilements (energies) of ignorance that propel this. Dhamma is also not about taking to heart fools like Trump that post on Twitter like a school boy or school girl in a school playground.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:33 pm

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Circle5 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:50 pm

Yeah... his new tweet. I was just about to post it.

This probably means that he wants to do the bombing and hopes Russia will not respond. A kind of saying: Let me do this to gain tons of public approval back home and keep looking strong. In return, I might lift up some sanctions as a way to get back to you.

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by chownah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Trump wrote:
Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War.
Absolutely false if the USSR of the cold war is being implied by the use of "russia".

I lived in the USA during a lot of that cold war and what trump said here is patently false. I think that only someone who did not live in the usa at that time would accept this falsehood.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Justsit » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:53 pm

chownah wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm
Trump wrote:
Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War.
Absolutely false if the USSR of the cold war is being implied by the use of "russia".

I lived in the USA during a lot of that cold war and what trump said here is patently false. I think that only someone who did not live in the usa at that time would accept this falsehood.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by pulga » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:10 pm

Hopefully Mattis still has Trump's ear in how to deal with this situation. The President's tweet is promising.

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Post by ToVincent » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:50 pm

let's hope that TakiDoni's "smart" missiles, are going
to be smart enough to refuse to be launched.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by perkele » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:02 pm

paul wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:37 pm
The UK and France are also involved in this punitive action. Just like people, from time to time it’s necessary to awaken lesser global states such as Russia and Syria with an action that asserts the true reality.
Please explain.
1. What "true reality" should the "lesser global state" (what the heck is that supposed to mean?) of Syria be "awakened to"?
2. In response to what event or action (that supposedly have happened in "true reality"?) and in what capacity of authority are these (probably "greater global states") intent on carrying out "punitive action"?

Please enlighten me with "truth bombs".
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“The lion, bhikkhus, king of the beasts, in the evening emerges from his lair. Having emerged, he stretches himself, surveys the four quarters all around, roars his lion-roar thrice, and then leaves for his hunting-ground.
Bhikkhus, when the animals and creatures hear the roar of the lion, the king of the beasts, they, for the most part, are struck with fear, urgency and trembling.
Those that live in holes, enter their holes; the water-dwellers head into the waters; the forest- dwellers, seek the forests; winged birds resort to the skies.” —MN 11
The sutta you purport to quote from is not MN 11 but SN 22.78. But it is not clear why you are quoting it.

This is, for context, the complete simile:
SN 22.78 wrote:“When the lion, the king of beasts, roars, whatever animals hear the sound are for the most part filled with fear, a sense of urgency, and terror. Those who live in holes enter their holes; those who live in the water enter the water; those who live in the woods enter the woods; and the birds fly up into the air. Even those royal bull elephants, bound by strong thongs in the villages, towns, and capital cities, burst and break their bonds asunder; frightened, they urinate and defecate and flee here and there. So powerful, bhikkhus, is the lion, the king of beasts, among the animals, so majestic and mighty.

“So too, bhikkhus, when the Tathagata arises in the world, an arahant, perfectly enlightened, accomplished in true knowledge and conduct, fortunate, knower of the world, unsurpassed leader of persons to be tamed, teacher of devas and humans, the Enlightened One, the Blessed One, he teaches the Dhamma thus: ‘Such is form, such its origin, such its passing away; such is feeling … such is perception … such are volitional formations … such is consciousness, such its origin, such its passing away.’

“Then, bhikkhus, when those devas who are long-lived, beautiful, abounding in happiness, dwelling for a long time in lofty palaces, hear the Tathagata’s teaching of the Dhamma, they are for the most part filled with fear, a sense of urgency, and terror, saying: ‘It seems, sir, that we are impermanent, though we thought ourselves permanent; it seems, sir, that we are unstable, though we thought ourselves stable; it seems, sir, that we are noneternal, though we thought ourselves eternal. It seems, sir, that we are impermanent, unstable, noneternal, included within identity.’ So powerful, bhikkhus, is the Tathagata over this world together with its devas, so majestic and mighty.”
Are the "greater global states" teaching Dhamma to the Syrians and "enlightening them" with the fire of "truth bombs"? Of course those who are killed might be "awakened" by a sudden flash to the fact that their lives are indeed impermanent. That's the only sense I can get out of it.

Do you not feel ashamed to quote the Buddha in such a disgusting context with distorted meaning?

But maybe I misunderstood and there is some totally different meaning behind your words and quotations. In that case, this is not clear. So I implore you: please explain.

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