Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

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Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Circle5 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Why is no topic here about the important events that are about to happen regarding Syria ? I sometimes come here to check the news. I think "if something super important is happening, it must be there in the dw news section". But since this news is not here, maybe I shouldn't rely on DW to get the news in the future.

So long story short: USA wants to strike Syria for an alleged chemical attack. This time, Russia has said that it will respond strongly to such an act and ever since Trump tweet 2 days ago, Russian and Assad planes have been patrolling the coast.

What can happen:

1) Worst case scenario: USA stricks Syria. Russia downs the US ship that launched the missilles. USA crushes Russian navy present in the area that is weaker than USA navy in the area. Russia might then respond with bombing of USA troops west of euphrate. After that, probably a US emergency meeting will be summoned and things will calm down.

2) Trump backs down and decides not to strike and things return to normal.

3) Middle ground solution: USA strikes Syria, Russia strikes the USA ship that lounched those missiles, UN emergency summit is summoned

There are 24 hours left until the decision will be made.

Personal prediction: USA finds a way to back down and not strike Syria while not looking like losers. Even China said they should do this and it's the first time they comment on Syrian war. They might call some independent commision to investigate the attack and slowly get out of this situation without losing face. Though there is a significant chance they will just do the attack and hope others don't react, but that's highly problematic since it has been made crystal clear that the US ship will be sunk if they do the attack.

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Zom » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:37 pm

Worst case scenario: USA stricks Syria.
Worst is nuclear war 8-)

Is it possible? Well, the probability is higher than during the last 30 years, I'd say so.

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Post by Circle5 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:42 pm

Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:37 pm
Worst case scenario: USA stricks Syria.
Worst is nuclear war 8-)

Is it possible? Well, the probability is higher than during the last 30 years, I'd say so.
It actually is possible. And it is strange how in these peaceful times we are statistically closer to nuclear weapons use than during the cold war. There is at least a 0.1% chance that a nuke might get used. In case things degenerate too much, a tactical nuke might be used inside Syria. But nothing bigger than that can happen. Really worst case scenario in this situation is a tactical nuke being used somewhere in syria.

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by JamesTheGiant » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:47 pm

How could Russia sink a submarine? The Ohio class SSGN subs have 144 Tomahawk cruise missiles each.
Plus there are hundreds of US special forces in Syria already.
Plus Israel has been actively bombing in Syria for a long time.
This is panic-news. Relax, it's all going to be okay. (Except for the Syrians.)

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Post by SarathW » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:58 pm

This is panic-news. Relax
Thank you, James.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by DNS » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:16 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:33 pm
Why is no topic here about the important events that are about to happen regarding Syria ? I sometimes come here to check the news. I think "if something super important is happening, it must be there in the dw news section". But since this news is not here, maybe I shouldn't rely on DW to get the news in the future.
You're right, DW is the place to go for news; it's just that you went to the wrong DW.
http://www.dw.com/

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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by paul » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:37 pm

The UK and France are also involved in this punitive action. Just like people, from time to time it’s necessary to awaken lesser global states such as Russia and Syria with an action that asserts the true reality.

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Bhikkhus, when the animals and creatures hear the roar of the lion, the king of the beasts, they, for the most part, are struck with fear, urgency and trembling.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Mkoll » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:41 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:16 pm
Circle5 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:33 pm
Why is no topic here about the important events that are about to happen regarding Syria ? I sometimes come here to check the news. I think "if something super important is happening, it must be there in the dw news section". But since this news is not here, maybe I shouldn't rely on DW to get the news in the future.
You're right, DW is the place to go for news; it's just that you went to the wrong DW.
http://www.dw.com/

:tongue:
Thanks for that link. I had not heard of that news organization before.

Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Circle5 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:56 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:16 pm
Circle5 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:33 pm
Why is no topic here about the important events that are about to happen regarding Syria ? I sometimes come here to check the news. I think "if something super important is happening, it must be there in the dw news section". But since this news is not here, maybe I shouldn't rely on DW to get the news in the future.
You're right, DW is the place to go for news; it's just that you went to the wrong DW.
http://www.dw.com/

:tongue:
Lol :D

Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
True. Nobody wants to start anything big because of syria. It's not in anybody interest. But it's just that there is a, let's say, "bigger than usual" probability of things escalating out of control. Nobody wants this to happen, that's why I made the prediction that US will back down from the strike.

Even though nobody wants a situation, things might nevertheless lead there because of the "face" game that has to be maintained between countries. You can't say somemthing and then do nothing otherwise you lose all credibility. That's just how the diplomatic game works. It's called the escalation game and you can get caught up in this escalation ladder and have no possibility to back down even if everybody wants that. It is because of these conditions that this current situation is more explosive than usual and has a chance of things ending up bad.

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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:22 am

Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
Except there's one little but very important nuance to consider - that is - Putin's sanity. After 18 years of ultimate power he is a bit... well... doesn't really see things according to reality 8-)
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Post by denise » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:30 am

wish the normal "everybody" human beings could have a vote on the wars .....they vote on singing contests and buy goods on line....how about a "would you like a nice world war with your day....or perhaps tomorrow?" vote.....hmmm?

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Post by Mkoll » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:53 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:22 am
Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
Except there's one little but very important nuance to consider - that is - Putin's sanity. After 18 years of ultimate power he is a bit... well... doesn't really see things according to reality 8-)
Here's to the better angels of his nature winning out in the end. :toast:
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by chownah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:19 am

At times like this are people glad that trump is commander in chief of the american military forces (including the nuclear option)?

Is trump a calm hand who can smooth things and help keep everyone calm on both sides of the equation?

Is bolton's appointment to trump's administration something that helps to smooth things and help keep everyone calm on both sides of the equation?

Is the presence of someone who acts impulsively and whose actions are erratic and unexpected going to help avoid war?

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Post by retrofuturist » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:38 am

Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:19 am
At times like this are people glad that trump is commander in chief of the american military forces (including the nuclear option)?
Very much so. For someone who has only been the President of the United States for less than 15 months, he has achieved incredible outcomes. What's his track record so far?...

- No new wars started

- Existing wars which were unnecessarily started or prolonged by past administrations are being won or de-escalated, especially those pertaining to ISIS who have been virtually obliterated by Mad Dog Maddis & co.

- Working towards the very real likelihood of Denuclearisation of North Korea!

... and they're just the overt benefits achieved, nevermind the covert ones that we don't yet have full visibility into (e.g. Saudi Arabia).

Were it anyone else who had brokered, overseen or achieved these remarkable feats in such a short period of time, they would be met with near unanimous praise and adulation. Unfortunately, the media are not willing to openly report such things, and instead continue to drone on with their doom-mongering.

( And some people still believe he is stupid! :rofl: The cognitive dissonance must hurt. )

Given his actual track record, I think we're all blessed that he is at the helm, rather than the alternative - a proven war-monger like Hillary Clinton.

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Post by SarathW » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:24 am

Given his actual track record, I think we're all blessed that he is at the helm, rather than the alternative - a proven war-monger like Hillary Clinton.
I pray that you are right.
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Post by robertk » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:38 am

- Working towards the very real likelihood of Denuclearisation of North Korea
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Post by Bundokji » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:49 am

The justification for this military action (which is extremely likely to happen) is absurd. I personally don't believe that the Assad regime used chemical weapons. They were gaining control over Ghouta anyway, so this is all about saving the west's face after failing to achieve their objectives in Syria.

This military action will also give more excuses to the US administration to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal in May as Iran is a main supporter of the Assad regime. Israel will be rewarded for its latest strike by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem also in May.

The US lost trillions of dollars during the Iraq war and trump declared that the war in Syria (in which the US was not much involved) costed the US 70 billion dollars. It seems to me that the end of the US as a super power will be due to its misadventures in the Middle East, and innocent human beings will have to pay the price for that both from the US and the Middle East.
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Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

Post by Polar Bear » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:56 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:22 am
Regarding Syria, I think it is very unlikely Russia would directly attack the US navy. It's in neither country's interest, nor the world's for that matter, to go to war.
Except there's one little but very important nuance to consider - that is - Putin's sanity. After 18 years of ultimate power he is a bit... well... doesn't really see things according to reality 8-)
Watch out Zom :spy: , the Ministry of State Security might send you to gulag for that comment.
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Post by Zom » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am

Watch out Zom :spy: , the Ministry of State Security might send you to gulag for that comment.
I do -) No, really, if I'm writing comments somewhere in ru-net, I do keep that (though tiny) possibility in mind, because that kind of a witch hunt is going on here for quite some time and there are real cases where common people were jailed because of their internet postings or even reposts. I know, sounds crazy, but this is happening.
The justification for this military action (which is extremely likely to happen) is absurd. I personally don't believe that the Assad regime used chemical weapons. They were gaining control over Ghouta anyway, so this is all about saving the west's face after failing to achieve their objectives in Syria.
From what I see, yes, this "attack" looks like a fake. I think this is a rare case where Russians are right.

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Post by Bundokji » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:24 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:11 am
From what I see, yes, this "attack" looks like a fake. I think this is a rare case where Russians are right.
Its not only the fact that it is fake that is annoying, but their lack of imagination to choose a more believable justification for their sick intentions.

At least Russians are honest enough not to justify their actions using shiny slogans. Russia has been supporting legitimacy in Syria and if they left Russia to handle the situation, the war would have ended long ago, but their shitty pride wont allow it.
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