Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by chownah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am

No_Mind wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:06 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:57 pm
12 This is a question base on mathematical notion and exposure/familiarity/understanding of mathematical notation is a cultural variable so you have in fact shown that this sort of test is culturally dependent....you have proven lyndon taylor's point.
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If drawn it will look sort of like this .. yes little bit of math but if you see this one is more logic and observation power than math at end

Image

No contest for this one. It is from internet so answer is easily accessible.
There is no solution if the image is to be taken as being correctly shown in that the last equation has a symbol of a fan with two blades which does not appear anywhere else so its value can not be determined and since its value can not be determined the final equation can not be solved. If the image is taken to have an error and in the last equation is to be taken as a fan just like in the equation above it then there are two possible answers.

The fact that you bring two mathematical problems and present them as being questions used in measuring intelligence shows that either you don't understand how intelligence tests are supposed to work and if someone asserts that these are in fact good questions to ask on an intelligence test then it is clear that their ideas about intelligence contain a boatload of cultural influence.....same goes for your finger/hand example.....someone who is unfamiliar with a razor or blade might not be able to intelligently find the answer.
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ?
Who is you?

me or alan?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:47 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am
Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ?
Who is you?

me or alan?

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It was for you but both of you can answer

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am

Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:51 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ? Do you believe german shepards have the same average IQ as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average IQ as ravens ?
They can be trained well. There is no study on dog IQ

I have no clue about ravens

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by alan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:52 am

Circle5: The idea that you can measure IQ in animals is ludicrous.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:53 am

santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am
Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:
That guy is speaking about why it's a ban analogy when using it to justify non-interbreeding of human races. Appearently it's bad becase dogs are breed to look nice while in human breeding it should be survival of the fittest.

I am using it as an analogy for IQ differences

Do some people even read what is posted ?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:55 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:51 am
They can be trained well. There is no study on dog IQ

I have no clue about ravens

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Circle5: The idea that you can measure IQ in animals is ludicrous.
Ok, I'll reformulate:

Do you believe german shepards have the same average intelligence as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average intelligence as ravens ?

...And don't give me some postmodernist BS about intelligence being relative and a mentally challanged kid that can't even talk being just as smart as Bobby Fisher but "in different ways".
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:56 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:53 am
santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am
Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:
That guy is speaking about why it's a ban analogy when using it to justify non-interbreeding of human races. Appearently it's bad becase dogs are breed to look nice while in human breeding it should be survival of the fittest.

I am using it as an analogy for IQ differences

Do some people even read what is posted ?
So basically you've been using a flawed analogy all along to prove a flawed claim all along. Wonderful. By the way, let's hear a real biologist's answer to analyze the flawed analogy you've been using all along one more time: http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers ... p?id=12298
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:58 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:55 am
Do you believe german shepards have the same average intelligence as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average intelligence as ravens ?
How would I know? How do you measure dog/crow intelligence :?

Is this what you do all day long? No wonder you are confused.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:00 am

santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:56 am
So basically you've been using a flawed analogy all along to prove a flawed claim all along. Wonderful.
The dog analogy is also a bad analogy for trying to explain why airplanes run on kerosen and cars run on gasoline. Context is what determines weather an analogy is good or bad. Some people need it explained like at the kindergarden...

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:02 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:58 am
How would I know? How do you measure dog/crow intelligence :?

Is this what you do all day long? No wonder you are confused.

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How do you measure the intelligence of a baby that can't walk or talk and the intelligence of Albert Einstein ? :juggling:

I guess some just can't estimate it in any way...

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:03 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:00 am
santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:56 am
So basically you've been using a flawed analogy all along to prove a flawed claim all along. Wonderful.
The dog analogy is also a bad analogy for trying to explain why airplanes run on kerosen and cars run on gasoline. Context is what determines weather an analogy is good or bad. Some people need it explained like at the kindergarden...
You won't be able to help even the kindergartens by using flawed analogy.
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by alan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:05 am

I think dogs are pretty stupid.
Why the hell would they be able to bark all the time?
Barking all the time:
God dam Stupid.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:13 am

alan wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:05 am
I think dogs are pretty stupid.
Why the hell would they be able to bark all the time?
Barking all the time:
God dam Stupid.
There you go, that's a start. :thumbsup:

No Mind is probably still trying to figure out weather he is smarter than a german shepard or not, since he has no way of accurately measuring that. :D

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