Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:47 am

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:59 am

Greetings,

Nice banter, but you're deviating from the topic.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Pondera » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:03 am

Circle5 wrote:
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Context is what determines weather ...
Context ... not things like wind, sea temperature, precipitation, etc. I don’t know whether or not you made this spelling mistake intentionally, however if you did, it is a sign of low IQ. Whatever race you belong to is shaking it’s head right now.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:43 am

Since this started with a Sam Harris discussion, here is an interesting one between Sam Harris and Charles Muray about the problem:


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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:30 pm

Race determines skin color, eye color, hair color, height, weight, muscularity, slow and fast twitch muscle percentage, facial features.

Race does not determine IQ, virtuousness and anything connected to nāma

nāma depends on upbringing and past life Karma.

It seems genetic because intelligent parents lead to good upbringing and higher intelligence in offspring and that perpetuates itself down generations

That is why blacks in USA will not improve their IQ as long as they diverge away from mainstream US culture .. call themselves DeShawn and Shanice instead of David and Susan, have weird hairdo, listen to strange music and have Michael Jackson as an idol instead of General Colin Powell

Asian American IQ will rise because they lean into the US mainstream instead of opposing it.

Ex-Governer of South Carolina, Nikki Haley, is actually Nimrata Randhwa from Amritsar Punjab. In less than a generation she has become more American than most Americans and is the US ambassador to UN

While she leaned into US mainstream



They leaned away



Safe to say it will appear that Nicki Haley's kids are genetically gifted

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:08 pm

Who said IQ is the only predictor of success ? I've refuted that idea numerous times throughout this topic. I've said that it's by far the best predictor of success, with 3 times higher correlation than having wealthy parents for example, while certainly not being the only predictor of success.

What you have presented has nothing to do with IQ. Cultural influences that indeed might be even bigger than IQ fall into the category of "other factors important for success besides IQ".

This is why east asians make much better use of their IQ advantage than caucasians. They have an even better culture (in terms of helping for success) than caucasians. This results in the income difference and academic success differences between east asians and caucasians being much higher than the difference in IQ between these populations. The reverse is true for blacks where besides the IQ gap, cultural problems also come into play. Though I don't believe black culture is that bad for promoting success and inteligence. I think it's a billion levels above gypsy culture for example.

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