Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:21 am

Appearently there might have been australoid people in India long time ago in the pleistocene. I am not the most informed on that period, all I know is that almost nothing has remained of them and both south and north indians are caucasian. The australoid DNA is about 1-2% tough there has been some time since researching this matter so better to double check.

The map of the 5 races after pleistocene. Note how the Pigmies have been massacred and are now literally hunted to extinction by sub-saharans. There has probably been more fuss about some animal species hunted to extinction then about this humanoid race in the same situation. If it's not white people that are hunting them, they just don't matter since the story doesn't fit the preffered narrative
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by alan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:22 am

As usual, I'm surprised that no one has challenged a statement, but just took it as a fact to be discussed.
Hey Circle 5: Can you prove to me that "the average Indian has an IQ of 85, but the average emigrant has an IQ of 114?" That was your basic point. But let me ask you this:

How the Hell do you know that?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:23 am

alan wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:22 am
As usual, I'm surprised that no one has challenged a statement, but just took it as a fact to be discussed.
Hey Circle 5: Can you prove to me that "the average Indian has an IQ of 85, but the average emigrant has an IQ of 114?" That was your basic point. But let me ask you this:

How the Hell do you know that?
He is a Romanian. Dracula tells him all of these strange facts and theories

BTW, was Dracula caucasian and what was his IQ?

Circle5 are you on DW from 4 AM? Now it is 5:30 there ..

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:32 am

alan wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:22 am
As usual, I'm surprised that no one has challenged a statement, but just took it as a fact to be discussed.
Hey Circle 5: Can you prove to me that "the average Indian has an IQ of 85, but the average emigrant has an IQ of 114?" That was your basic point. But let me ask you this:

How the Hell do you know that?
Well....
By 2006, Lynn had tabulated 620 IQ studies in 133 different countries. He clustered the countries into the ten genetic groupings identified by L. L. Cavalli-Sforza et al. in their mammoth 1994 History and Geography of Human Genes. The world average IQ had to be calibrated downwards to 90, as shown in the map.
https://www.vdare.com/articles/indians- ... on-average

This is covering the 85 IQ side of the question. As for the 114 one, I am unable to find the statistic. These are things I have checked long ago.

While searching for this answer I've also found something that I have forgot. The topic about IQ of different castes in india. Note the concept of "genetic ceiling" that I have forgot to mention. This reffers to the IQ they would have given proper conditions such as eradication of malnutrition. That 0.3 that is environmental.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-puzzle-o ... -and-jews/

Most those immigrants are from the high IQ caste, though as I've said, I have not been able to find the study in question in such a short time.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:23 am

Circle5 are you on DW from 4 AM? Now it is 5:30 there ..

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Yes I have a bad sleeping schedule and normally go to sleep at 5. Though the recent topic on the welness section of the forum about sunlight convinced me to change it.

As for the other question, check one of the quotes from my last message:
By 2006, Lynn had tabulated 620 IQ studies in 133 different countries. He clustered the countries into the ten genetic groupings identified by L. L. Cavalli-Sforza et al. in their mammoth 1994 History and Geography of Human Genes. The world average IQ had to be calibrated downwards to 90, as shown in the map.
As I've said, all IQ studies ever since they were invented say the same thing. It's only the bogus nazist claims about skull shapes and a ton of other trash that has been discredited but the IQ differences among races has always shown up in all tests made ever since IQ tests have been invented.

Can I ask you now a question of my own ? Do you believe german shepards have the same average IQ as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average IQ as ravens ?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by chownah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am

No_Mind wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:06 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:57 pm
12 This is a question base on mathematical notion and exposure/familiarity/understanding of mathematical notation is a cultural variable so you have in fact shown that this sort of test is culturally dependent....you have proven lyndon taylor's point.
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If drawn it will look sort of like this .. yes little bit of math but if you see this one is more logic and observation power than math at end

Image

No contest for this one. It is from internet so answer is easily accessible.
There is no solution if the image is to be taken as being correctly shown in that the last equation has a symbol of a fan with two blades which does not appear anywhere else so its value can not be determined and since its value can not be determined the final equation can not be solved. If the image is taken to have an error and in the last equation is to be taken as a fan just like in the equation above it then there are two possible answers.

The fact that you bring two mathematical problems and present them as being questions used in measuring intelligence shows that either you don't understand how intelligence tests are supposed to work and if someone asserts that these are in fact good questions to ask on an intelligence test then it is clear that their ideas about intelligence contain a boatload of cultural influence.....same goes for your finger/hand example.....someone who is unfamiliar with a razor or blade might not be able to intelligently find the answer.
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ?
Who is you?

me or alan?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:47 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:46 am
Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ?
Who is you?

me or alan?

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It was for you but both of you can answer

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am

Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:51 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am
Can I ask you now a question of my own ? Do you believe german shepards have the same average IQ as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average IQ as ravens ?
They can be trained well. There is no study on dog IQ

I have no clue about ravens

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by alan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:52 am

Circle5: The idea that you can measure IQ in animals is ludicrous.

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:53 am

santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am
Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:
That guy is speaking about why it's a ban analogy when using it to justify non-interbreeding of human races. Appearently it's bad becase dogs are breed to look nice while in human breeding it should be survival of the fittest.

I am using it as an analogy for IQ differences

Do some people even read what is posted ?

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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:55 am

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:51 am
They can be trained well. There is no study on dog IQ

I have no clue about ravens

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Circle5: The idea that you can measure IQ in animals is ludicrous.
Ok, I'll reformulate:

Do you believe german shepards have the same average intelligence as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average intelligence as ravens ?

...And don't give me some postmodernist BS about intelligence being relative and a mentally challanged kid that can't even talk being just as smart as Bobby Fisher but "in different ways".
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:56 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:53 am
santa100 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:49 am
Here's an interesting find, that human races/dog breeds analogy is considered a terribly flawed analogy even by white supremacist posters on stormfront.org! (ref: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t12065 ... post941505 ). So if Circle5 posts there, he might got kicked out by the racist community for being too... racist. :rolleye:
That guy is speaking about why it's a ban analogy when using it to justify non-interbreeding of human races. Appearently it's bad becase dogs are breed to look nice while in human breeding it should be survival of the fittest.

I am using it as an analogy for IQ differences

Do some people even read what is posted ?
So basically you've been using a flawed analogy all along to prove a flawed claim all along. Wonderful. By the way, let's hear a real biologist's answer to analyze the flawed analogy you've been using all along one more time: http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers ... p?id=12298
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Re: Race, IQ and Idenity politics: A debate.

Post by No_Mind » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:58 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:55 am
Do you believe german shepards have the same average intelligence as any other dog ? Do you believe crows have the same average intelligence as ravens ?
How would I know? How do you measure dog/crow intelligence :?

Is this what you do all day long? No wonder you are confused.

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