Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by DooDoot » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:12 pm

James Tan wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:01 am
Asking a buddhist friend to leave his country and this kind of mentality and attitude , one can see how much a buddhist has kindness and compassion .
The kind of mentality and attitude above sounds similar to asking poor Muslims to give charity to non-Muslims (when rich Christian missionary groups can give 'charity' to non-Muslims). :mrgreen:

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by James Tan » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:27 pm

Doodoot and friends ,

I have to clarify two things .
Previously I posted one subject about non gender or equality of gender , but , that is what I read in another forum and my reason is just try to understand how people in this forum thinks and to look from other perspectives only . That is not my stance .

Secondly , I am sharing my bad experiences here which I think I made a mistake . The minorities citizen Indigenous in Sabah , Sarawak and Indian and Chinese etc in Singapore ,Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia suffered a lot . Statistics and all the mapping and the rest is looking from afar .When real story being shared they don't bother .

Many people understand from the view of history or other analysis , they don't live in this country and experience the grieves like they do .
You can never understand our sufferings , but ,
Hey , what for ? What's the point .
Might as well forget about it .

If any buddhist can have kindness and compassion towards any refugees or non buddhist faith people in sufferings , there is no reason for buddhist to be Cruel to their same faith friend .

Anyway , I experienced something worse than this before , I am getting this type of same treatment even from buddhist fellows .


I will stop at here , sayonara !
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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Circle5 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:28 am

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:12 am
Today, Muslim countries are becoming more Muslim because of what the West has done, militarily, to Muslim nations. Since it is Western ideology causing many of these problems, why do you think a Western approach will solve them? Often Western charity has strings attached. If Western countries & people were moral & cared for the rule of law, why is West democracy supporting & making wars all around the world?
Even muslim discrimination against non-muslims is now caused by the west ? Is that how anti-western the russian propaganda has gotten these days ? Is that what they're teaching right now on Russia Today ? How about that idea of non-muslims having to pay a special tax ? Where did that came from ? :mrgreen:

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Caodemarte » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:40 am
Upeksha wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:05 am
And herein lies the key point: anyone who objects to Dhammawheel becoming a toxic waste dump for web based culture wars is immediately imputed as adopting some kind of position within those culture wars (i.e. as a liberal-authoritarian-progressive-pluralist-islamophile-intent-on-shutting-down-free-and-honest-moral-dialogue).
Well, it was you that approved of the very one-sided political views of Caodemarte. :mrgreen:
Since I seem to be a target of a drive by ad hom, may I point out that is not a “one-sided political view” to point out the use of “alternative facts” (aka lies), pretty blatant bigotry, pro-Nazi propaganda, and disinformation from Russian and allied sources? Is it indeed the purpose of DW to serve as a platform for such things with discussion of Theravada Buddhism as an add-on? Is it to serve as a platform for discussion of of Theravada Buddhism with such things as an add-on? The fact that the question is now a very real one is very discouraging.

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:55 am

Greetings Caodemarte,

Please remember the rules of this section, specifically...
5. We do understand that politics can be an emotional or disruptive subject for some people. Therefore if you wish, you may voluntarily opt out of the News section by following the instructions here. Because participation in the News, Current Events & Politics section is entirely optional (and won't even show up in your "Active Topics" search, if you opt out), please refrain from meta-discussion in the form of complaining about the existence of such topics here at Dhamma Wheel. If they are burdensome to you personally, simply opt out.
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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:57 am

Caodemarte wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am
pretty blatant bigotry
Bigotry is something quite universal. Muslims engage in bigotry, Americans engage in bigotry, Jews engage in bigotry. Black people & white people engage in bigotry. People living in Buddhist countries engage in bigotry.
Caodemarte wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am
pro-Nazi propaganda
Propaganda is something quite universal. Muslims engage in propaganda, Americans engage in propaganda, Jews engage in propaganda. Black people & white people engage in propaganda. People living in Buddhist countries engage in propaganda.
Caodemarte wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am
disinformation from Russian and allied sources?
The above is shocking :shock: . Western nations have been engaging in mass disinformation as they murder millions of people in covert & overt wars & the Russians (recently) have often been the good guys. How can a practising Buddhist allege all Russian information is disinformation? The US-Russian election matter ended being simply Trump's Zionist son-in-law phoning Russia so the Russians would vote for Israel at the UN. There is no evidence Russia poisoned any ambassadors; just as there was no evidence for Iraq WMDs and Syrian chemical weapons. There is no evidence North Korea wants to nuke any nations nor any evidence China is engaged in unfair trading (given it was the Western corporations & nations that sponsored free-trade & globalisation that has resulted in massive trade deficits for the USA). Currently, it is obviously most disinformation is from Washington rather than from Russia, as many ex-US govt officials are saying, such as here: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am
Is it indeed the purpose of DW to serve as a platform for such things with discussion of Theravada Buddhism as an add-on? Is it to serve as a platform for discussion of of Theravada Buddhism with such things as an add-on? The fact that the question is now a very real one is very discouraging.
Its one thing to censure a dhamma platform for allowing political discussion. Its another thing, as you appear to be doing, to use Buddhism to demonize the political ideologies you personally hate & support the personal ideologies you personally support.

Most political movements in history have used war to support their agendas. Merely read the Old Testament about how the Israelites used war to take political control of Canaan. Be it the Persian, Greek, Ashoka, Roman, Muslim. British or American Empires. each used war & violence to achieves its goals. Nazism was merely another political movement that used violence & war to achieve its goals. From a Buddhist point of view, Nazism does not receive any special or distinct condemnation different to other forms of political violence. To do so, as you continually do, is called 'prejudice' in Buddhism, as taught in DN 31. People who are interested in Nazism have certain concerns. It is best to discuss their concerns with them. Often, Nazis want a conservative culture or society but get confused believing "race" is culture; thus they engage in racism. But this does not negate the validity of their concerns, namely, the moral degeneration of society. But when Nazis resort to violence, they also become degenerate. My point is, I suggest a Buddhist seeks to understand others. :)

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:29 pm

Caodemarte wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:10 am
Use of “alternative facts”...
Caodemarte

This American man is one of my favourite commentators. If you are capable of listening to the video (due to having sufficient tolerance), is this an example of "alternate facts" you believe should be censored? Thanks. (Note: Listen beyond the financial & economic news).


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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Upeksha » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:55 am
Greetings Caodemarte,

Please remember the rules of this section, specifically...
5. We do understand that politics can be an emotional or disruptive subject for some people. Therefore if you wish, you may voluntarily opt out of the News section by following the instructions here. Because participation in the News, Current Events & Politics section is entirely optional (and won't even show up in your "Active Topics" search, if you opt out), please refrain from meta-discussion in the form of complaining about the existence of such topics here at Dhamma Wheel. If they are burdensome to you personally, simply opt out.
Metta,
Paul. :)
I think it's wrong to sideline Caodemarte's point by suggesting 'opt out.' The issue at stake is that there is a difference between making conservative, radical or libertarian arguments and posting web content which is anti-Semitic.

Are we really at the point where we conclude: if you're offended by anti-Semitic content on a Buddhist forum, then it is your problem for being offended?

Really??

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by manas » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:25 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:28 am
DooDoot wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:12 am
Today, Muslim countries are becoming more Muslim because of what the West has done, militarily, to Muslim nations. Since it is Western ideology causing many of these problems, why do you think a Western approach will solve them? Often Western charity has strings attached. If Western countries & people were moral & cared for the rule of law, why is West democracy supporting & making wars all around the world?
Even muslim discrimination against non-muslims is now caused by the west ? Is that how anti-western the russian propaganda has gotten these days ? Is that what they're teaching right now on Russia Today ? How about that idea of non-muslims having to pay a special tax ? Where did that came from ? :mrgreen:
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Knowing this body is like a clay jar,
securing this mind like a fort,
attack Mara with the spear of discernment,
then guard what's won without settling there,
without laying claim.

- Dhp 40

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:38 am

Greetings,
Upeksha wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am
The issue at stake is that there is a difference between making conservative, radical or libertarian arguments and posting web content which is anti-Semitic.
Sure, so where a comment is actually anti-Semitic, report it.

If, however, the term "anti-Semitic" is merely being thrown around like confetti in a bid to shut down unfavoured views, then don't expect much traction. It doesn't work with morally accusatory shrieks of "Racist!", "Sexist!", "Misogynist!", so don't expect "Anti-Semite!" to magically have more power than the aforementioned buzzwords.

:focus:

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Upeksha » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:43 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:38 am
Greetings,
Upeksha wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am
The issue at stake is that there is a difference between making conservative, radical or libertarian arguments and posting web content which is anti-Semitic.
Sure, so where a comment is actually anti-Semitic, report it.

If, however, the term "anti-Semitic" is merely being thrown around like confetti in a bid to shut down unfavoured views, then don't expect much traction. It doesn't work with morally accusatory shrieks of "Racist!", "Sexist!", "Misogynist!", so don't expect "Anti-Semite!" to magically have more power than the aforementioned buzzwords.

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
You clearly do not understand antisemitism if you do not see any connections between The Protocols of Zion and many of the videos and comments posted here. I suggest you research this text yourself and then try to understand from your own side how these symbolic troupes function in more modern forms of propaganda. They are way too numerous to mention specific instances on this site. I assume that the problem here is ignorance rather than willful or strategic hatred of Jews - but that does not excuse it.

Antisemitism is not some magical buzzword - and I do not use the term unreflexively. But it is simply a statement of fact to say that posters in these threads are consistently and repeatedly indulging in antisemitism, and whenever anyone points this out, they are made to feel as if they are some kind of puritan liberal trying to purge the place of views they disagree with.

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Upeksha » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:45 am

Can everyone please read this before they reply:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proto ... rs_of_Zion

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by pulga » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:41 am

Upeksha wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:45 am
Can everyone please read this before they reply:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proto ... rs_of_Zion
Not that I agree with Mrs. Webster, but there are more nuanced theories about the text. For more on the Protocols:

www.newensign.christsassembly.com/The%2 ... -Nesta.pdf

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by Caodemarte » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:50 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:38 am
Greetings,
Upeksha wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am
The issue at stake is that there is a difference between making conservative, radical or libertarian arguments and posting web content which is anti-Semitic.
Sure, so where a comment is actually anti-Semitic, report it...
Ok, done with the latest example which is an almost a classic example in the history of anti-Semitism.

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Re: Has anyone notice no aid from Islamic country for non Muslims ?

Post by DNS » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Caodemarte wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:50 pm
retrofuturist wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:38 am
Greetings,
Upeksha wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am
The issue at stake is that there is a difference between making conservative, radical or libertarian arguments and posting web content which is anti-Semitic.
Sure, so where a comment is actually anti-Semitic, report it...
Ok, done with the latest example which is an almost a classic example in the history of anti-Semitism.
Okay, the Protocols of Zion was mentioned, but we can easily dismiss/refute this rather than censoring it. From the wikipedia page:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. The forgery was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. According to the claims made by some of its publishers, the Protocols are the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting where Jewish leaders discussed their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies.
It is a work of fiction, presented as non-fiction. The reality is the Jews only wanted their own homeland, in the Biblical land of Israel. As a means of survival many Jews obtained higher education, positions of influence and used that to help in their goals of resettling to Israel and then thus, the conspiracy theories (one of the causes anyway, there are several).

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