Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

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Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:09 pm

Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/06/asia ... index.html
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Virgo » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 am

We should avoid violence at all costs.

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by No_Mind » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:15 am

Lucas Oliveira wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:09 pm
Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/06/asia ... index.html
Okay .. and why is it news? Because they are Buddhists and supposed to suffer silently?

Humans are humans and from time to time violence will break out. As long as it is brought under control quickly .. it is okay ..

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

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Kumar Chokshanada Sangakkara (Sinhalese: කුමාර සංගක්කාර; born 27 October 1977) is a former Sri Lankan cricketer and captain, and is widely regarded as one of the world's most influential cricketers and one of the greatest batsmen of all-time.

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:05 am

Virgo wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 am
We should avoid violence at all costs.

Kevin
This is facile.

What if the cost was the destruction of the planet? Or the human race? Or the environment?

'At all costs' is idealistic, and unlikely to hold up in the real world, where trade-offs are the name of the game.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by pyluyten » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:10 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:05 am
Virgo wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 am
We should avoid violence at all costs.

Kevin
This is facile.

What if the cost was the destruction of the planet? Or the human race? Or the environment?

'At all costs' is idealistic, and unlikely to hold up in the real world, where trade-offs are the name of the game.
destruction of the human race is violence, so avoiding violence at all costs imply not to destruct human race.
Regarding environment / planet : where do you see avoiding violence would have such counterpart ?

On a buddhist forum, i am not sure this is "facile" to write buddhist are violent. Your answer seems to prove it is not.

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Post by fornoxe » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:32 pm

From my french newspaper

The nationalist cinghalais Mahinda Rajapakse is allied now with Bodu Bala Sena (BBS), un extrem bouddhism (??) party created in 2012.

The secretary Bhikku (!!) Galagoda-atte gnanasara say the government is scare to loose his popularity if they attack us.

Sound so sad :(

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 pm

pyluyten wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:10 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:05 am
Virgo wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 am
We should avoid violence at all costs.

Kevin
This is facile.

What if the cost was the destruction of the planet? Or the human race? Or the environment?

'At all costs' is idealistic, and unlikely to hold up in the real world, where trade-offs are the name of the game.
destruction of the human race is violence, so avoiding violence at all costs imply not to destruct human race.
Regarding environment / planet : where do you see avoiding violence would have such counterpart ?

On a buddhist forum, i am not sure this is "facile" to write buddhist are violent. Your answer seems to prove it is not.
Are you saying that there is no scenario where violence is a price worth paying for the purpose of preventing a greater violence?
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Kamran » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:11 pm

Its significant because for the last few decades Sri Lanka was victim of one of the worst civil wars in which Tamil Tigers fought brutally for an independent state for the Tamil people.
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by pyluyten » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:20 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 pm
Are you saying that there is no scenario where violence is a price worth paying for the purpose of preventing a greater violence?
in this specific thread, violence is not a price worth paying.

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:49 am

pyluyten wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:20 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 pm
Are you saying that there is no scenario where violence is a price worth paying for the purpose of preventing a greater violence?
in this specific thread, violence is not a price worth paying.
It seems you're saying something different from Virgo. You have qualified his statement. Anyway, it still doesn't address the scenario where violence might be done to prevent a greater violence. This thread is hardly likely to be the circumstance where that is played out - far more likely is a situation where, for example, the police need to shoot a violent, hostage taking maniac to prevent him from killing many people. Do you think 'avoiding violence at all costs' would lead to a good outcome in that scenario?
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:01 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:49 am
a situation where, for example, the police need to shoot a violent, hostage taking maniac to prevent him from killing many people.
... and then he gets reborn to "finish the business", that's how such attacks keep happening.
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:06 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 pm
Are you saying that there is no scenario where violence is a price worth paying for the purpose of preventing a greater violence?
Such scenarios are inavoidable. But I think it would be a mistake to classify those actions where violence is attempted to be quelled with violence, as "compassionate" or "just" or "righteous" or "good".

Because this is the real issue here, isn't it? How to justify violent action and interpret it as (metaphysically) just, righteous, good, compassionate.

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by SarathW » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:13 am

Unfortunately, some Sri Lankans never learn from the past mistakes.
There should be some invisible power behind this violence.
How is Sri Lankans repeating a similar thing what happened in Maynamar?
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:22 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:13 am
Unfortunately, some Sri Lankans never learn from the past mistakes.
There should be some invisible power behind this violence.
How is Sri Lankans repeating a similar thing what happened in Maynamar?
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:29 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:13 am
Unfortunately, some Sri Lankans never learn from the past mistakes.
There should be some invisible power behind this violence.
How is Sri Lankans repeating a similar thing what happened in Maynamar?
Perhaps there is a common factor.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:11 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:15 am
Lucas Oliveira wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:09 pm
Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/06/asia ... index.html
Okay .. and why is it news? Because they are Buddhists and supposed to suffer silently?

Humans are humans and from time to time violence will break out. As long as it is brought under control quickly .. it is okay ..

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Problems have everywhere.

in this case it is a very important country for Theravada Buddhism.

and that's why it got my attention

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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by manas » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:17 pm

It is understandable for the Sri Lankan authorities to try and restore order and calm, and for the local Buddhist population to be upset. However, the
'Buddhists' who did this, can't even seem to observe the most basic of Buddhist moral precepts:
"On Tuesday morning, the body of a 28-year-old Muslim man was pulled from the burned-out wreckage of a house set on fire the previous day by Sinhalese Buddhists in Aluthwatte, some 35 kilometers (21.7 miles) north west of Kandy."
I feel uncomfortable with having these people referred to as 'Buddhists' at all. It gives non-Buddhists the impression that we are like other religions, prone to tribal violence in the name of our faith.
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Re: Sri Lanka declares state of emergency in wake of communal violence

Post by Kamran » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:18 pm

manas wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:17 pm
It is understandable for the Sri Lankan authorities to try and restore order and calm, and for the local Buddhist population to be upset. However, the
'Buddhists' who did this, can't even seem to observe the most basic of Buddhist moral precepts:
"On Tuesday morning, the body of a 28-year-old Muslim man was pulled from the burned-out wreckage of a house set on fire the previous day by Sinhalese Buddhists in Aluthwatte, some 35 kilometers (21.7 miles) north west of Kandy."
I feel uncomfortable with having these people referred to as 'Buddhists' at all. It gives non-Buddhists the impression that we are like other religions, prone to tribal violence in the name of our faith.
Its an important reminder that we all have defilements.

Buddhists are human and are no different than the humans of other religions.

Buddhists are most definitely prone to tribal violence in the name of their faith as history and recent events in Myanmar and Sri Lanka have proven.
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