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How will you conceive the world in thirty years?

Post by SarathW » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:57 am

How will you conceive the world in thirty years?
My question in another way.
"What do you think the world will be like in the coming 30 years?"

Just to start the conversation:

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by DooDoot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:54 am

Merely listening to the 1st sentence, I had to disagree with the comment: "more people on the planet can think for themselves than ever before in this history of human existence... we are moving into an era where authority cannot be the truth... truth will be the only authority in the future... people are not afraid to ask questions anymore...".

When I was young, we were actually taught or encouraged to think for ourselves at school. But in recent years, I see authoritarianism; political correctness; fear; conformity; obedience; like I have never seen before in my life. Its frightening.

In 30 years, unless something drastically changes, I see the possibility a dystopian totalitarian world; ruled by plutocratic militarist technocrats.

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by paul » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:10 am

The world is becoming more anthropocentric, that is people are becoming recognised as the central element, with nothing above them. This accords with Buddhist cosmology where the human plane is regarded as the most fortunate destination for rebirth. However Buddhism also values nature, and there has to be a balance between human activity and respect for natural life. Developing this will change the face of world attitudes in the future, and seems certain to draw on Buddhist philosophy to do so, as the only appropriate doctrine available. We already see this in the secular mindfulness movement. Increasing interest in jhana can be expected.
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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by SarathW » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:23 am

The world is becoming more anthropocentric
You seem an optimistic like Arthur C Clarke.
Do you think six billion people are going to be Buddhist in thirty years?
:D

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by binocular » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:31 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:54 am
When I was young, we were actually taught or encouraged to think for ourselves at school. But in recent years, I see authoritarianism; political correctness; fear; conformity; obedience; like I have never seen before in my life. Its frightening.
It's even worse: It's that authoritarianism; political correctness; fear; conformity; obedience are seen as the Truth, and when people comply with the power structure, they say they're "thinking for themselves".

Forget being cut into pieces by villains with saws or being thrown into a pit of embers. That's small fry in comparison to the pychological abuse people are faced with today.
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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by No_Mind » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:56 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:54 am
Merely listening to the 1st sentence, I had to disagree with the comment: "more people on the planet can think for themselves than ever before in this history of human existence... we are moving into an era where authority cannot be the truth... truth will be the only authority in the future... people are not afraid to ask questions anymore...".

When I was young, we were actually taught or encouraged to think for ourselves at school. But in recent years, I see authoritarianism; political correctness; fear; conformity; obedience; like I have never seen before in my life. Its frightening.

In 30 years, unless something drastically changes, I see the possibility a dystopian totalitarian world; ruled by plutocratic militarist technocrats.
Can you list the countries where people are not allowed to think for themselves. I cannot think of a single one except probably North Korea.

Let me make it easier .. in which countries are you not allowed to ask questions - North Korea, Cuba, China, and .. can you add to the list?

No one can add USA to the list or make an argument that in Western countries no free thinking is allowed. Let us have a good discussion without Trump and his ilk being discussed.

List of countries

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by DooDoot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:56 pm
Can you list the countries where people are not allowed to think for themselves. I cannot think of a single one except probably North Korea.
Since you appear to live in India & appear to often present the views of the Western mass-media, yes, it is probably expected you cannot think (for yourself) of a single repressive country except probably North Korea. It is obvious you are not aware of the changes occurring in Western societies &, for example, the vicious persecution of 'Whistle-Blowers' who may be doing their moral duty as citizens according to their code of conduct as government or corporate employees.









What is occurring at the present time is not only a matter of "not allowed to think for themselves" but also a matter of an "inability to think for themselves" due to the pervasive influence of the political mass-media. For example, during the 1960s & 1970s, the mass-media openly showed footage of the Vietnam War, which turned public sentiment against the Vietnam War. But, today, the mass-media tells the people Al Qaeda did 9/11 yet now also tells the people Al Qaeda are freedom fighters & heros in Syria; that a Holocaust was about to happen in Aleppo (to gather public support for intervention) after Al Qaeda lost their battle to takeover Aleppo.

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It took years for the mass-media to officially report Obama was supporting rebel [terrorist] groups in Syria; even though those who cared about Syria being terrorised by international mercenaries & psychopaths knew what Obama & Clinton were doing.
President Trump has ended the clandestine American program to provide arms and supplies to Syrian rebel groups, American officials said, a recognition that the effort was failing and that the administration has given up hope of helping to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

The decision came more than a month ago, the officials said, by which time the effort to deliver the arms had slowed to a trickle.

It was never publicly announced, just as the beginnings of the program four years ago were officially a secret, authorized by President Barack Obama through a “finding” that permitted the C.I.A. to conduct a deniable program. News of the troublesome program soon leaked out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/worl ... ebels.html
There are many other examples of not being allowed to think for oneself, such as being being persecuted & even imprisoned for being anti-homosexual or a Holocaust questioner, revisionist or denier.
Holocaust denial, the denial of the systematic genocidal killing of 6 million Jews and people of various ethnic groups in Europe by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, is illegal in 16 European countries and Israel.

While Australia lacks a specific law against Holocaust denial, Holocaust denial is prosecuted in Australia under various laws against "hate speech" and "racial vilification". Gerald Fredrick Töben and his Adelaide Institute are the best-known case of someone being prosecuted in Australia for Holocaust denial.

Canada. It's complicated--while Holocaust denial as such is not illegal, it has been persecuted in terms of hate crimes/hate speech, as in the cases of Ernst Zundel and Jim Keegstra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_agai ... #Australia
On 11 November 2005, the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria, acting under the 1989 warrant, arrested Irving. Irving pleaded guilty to the charge of "trivialising, grossly playing down and denying the Holocaust". Irving stated in his plea that he changed his opinions on the Holocaust, "I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now. The Nazis did murder millions of Jews." Irving had obtained the papers from Hugo Byttebier, a Belgian who had served in the SS during the war and had escaped to Argentina. Irving was sentenced to three years' imprisonment in accordance with the law prohibiting National Socialist activities (officially Verbotsgesetz, "Prohibition Statute"). Irving sat motionless as judge Peter Liebetreu asked him if he had understood the sentence, to which he replied "I'm not sure I do" before being bundled out of the court by Austrian police. Later, Irving declared himself shocked by the severity of the sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving




I am not saying the world is doomed because one positive aspect of Cultural Marxist Liberalism is many people are addicted to sensual pleasure & the freedom to do whatever they want thus, one day, these people may (possibly) rise up against totalitarianism. However, what I am saying is the Western world is becoming increasingly totalitarian (which is unrelated to Trump). It essentially started with 9/11, when a bunch of military–industrial complex & Zionist Neo-Cons hijacked the US govt. This growing totalitarianism has spread to most Western governments.

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:45 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm
No_Mind wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:56 pm
Can you list the countries where people are not allowed to think for themselves. I cannot think of a single one except probably North Korea.
Since you appear to live in India & appear to often present the views of the Western mass-media, yes, it is probably expected you cannot think (for yourself) of a single repressive country except probably North Korea. It is obvious you are not aware of the changes occurring in Western societies &, for example, the vicious persecution of 'Whistle-Blowers'
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I read vast number of blogs both leftist and rightist. They are not mainstream.

My definition of freedom is freedom to express a view .. get up in the morning and be able to tweet "I do not like Trump/Merkel/May/Macron as PM/President/Chancellor"

Can people in West do that yes .. can people in China or Cuba or North Korea do that .. no

In how many countries are you not allowed to tweet that you do not like your leader's political policies?

Count the countries and write a short, to the point answer .. not a thesis about your inner angst due to state of affairs

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:04 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:45 am
I read vast number of blogs both leftist and rightist.
As a Buddhist, I generally don't think in terms of 'left & right' dialectic; which is more Western brainwashing to me.
No_Mind wrote:
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My definition of freedom is freedom to express a view .. get up in the morning and be able to tweet "I do not like Trump/Merkel/May/Macron as PM/President/Chancellor"
You mean the powerless voice that is spoken but never heard. :roll:
About a third of voters currently support the Republican tax reform package, according to an average of five surveys released this month. In a Quinnipiac University survey, just 25 percent of voters approved of the plan. Surveys from ABC News/Washington Post, CNN, Morning Consult and YouGov put approval of the plan slightly higher, but all are still at 36 percent or lower. Meanwhile, an average of the five polls puts opposition at 46 percent.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... tax-hikes/
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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:09 am

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:04 am
About a third of voters currently support the Republican tax reform package, according to an average of five surveys released this month. In a Quinnipiac University survey, just 25 percent of voters approved of the plan. Surveys from ABC News/Washington Post, CNN, Morning Consult and YouGov put approval of the plan slightly higher, but all are still at 36 percent or lower. Meanwhile, an average of the five polls puts opposition at 46 percent.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... tax-hikes/
How many voters do you think understand the term Long-term capital gains tax, let alone a tax reform plan?

I am stunned 25% approved. I thought it would be more like 2%

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:12 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:09 am
How many voters do you think understand the term Long Term Capital Gains Tax, let alone a tax reform plan?

I am stunned 25% approved. I thought it would be more like 2%
Difficult to discern your position here? Do you believe the tax cuts were a positive thing thus also believe, like a totalitarian elitist Brahman, the 98% you imagined who would be against the tax cuts are clueless brainless idiots? Please explain. Thanks

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:12 am

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:12 am
No_Mind wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:09 am
How many voters do you think understand the term Long Term Capital Gains Tax, let alone a tax reform plan?

I am stunned 25% approved. I thought it would be more like 2%
Difficult to discern your position here? Do you believe the tax cuts were a positive thing thus also believe, like a totalitarian elitist Brahman, the 98% are clueless brainless idiots? Please explain. Thanks
This is a thread about freedom not US and its fiscal policy

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and yes about 50% of the population in any country with 100% literacy are clueless

In my country about 99.99% (including some who are educated, wealthy and privileged) are clueless

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Re: How you conceived the world in thirty years?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:19 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:12 am
and yes about 50% of the population in any country with 100% literacy are clueless

In my country about 99.99% (including some who are educated, wealthy and privileged) are clueless
This gives the impression, similar to Adolf Hitler, you cannot believe in democracy, because the masses are incapable of making rational judgments & decisions. :shrug:


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