Trump - One Year

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:30 pm

chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm
"There is the case where a person of no integrity, when unasked, reveals another person's bad points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's bad points in full & in detail, without omission, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm
Reality check:
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Nice one.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:09 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:30 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm
"There is the case where a person of no integrity, when unasked, reveals another person's bad points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's bad points in full & in detail, without omission, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm
Reality check:
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chownah
Nice one.
Yeah, that picture is great one and it is appropriate (I think) to have that excerpt as a title to that picture.....we can all ponder whether the person in the picture is an example of the excerpt or not.....

But why just use that exceprt? why not use another one too:
"Then again, a person of no integrity, when unasked, reveals his own good points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of his own good points in full & in detail, without omissions, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:29 am

chownah wrote:Yeah, that picture is great one and it is appropriate (I think) to have that excerpt as a title to that picture.....we can all ponder whether the person in the picture is an example of the excerpt or not.....
Do you think that in posting that picture you are trying to reveal another person's bad points chownah?
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by pulga » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:58 am

In the Cakkhu Sutta (SN 25.1) the sappurisa is said to have transcended the plane of the puthujjana, cf. Atthasalini 349 as well. Just something to keep in mind when discussing people of integrity from a worldly perspective.

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:17 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:29 am
chownah wrote:Yeah, that picture is great one and it is appropriate (I think) to have that excerpt as a title to that picture.....we can all ponder whether the person in the picture is an example of the excerpt or not.....
Do you think that in posting that picture you are trying to reveal another person's bad points chownah?
Oh, so your post was about ME and whether I am a person of integrity or not based on me presenting the picture. Have you forgotten that this thread is not about ME....it is about trump. Whether I am a person of integrity or not is off topic....I could have you arrested for this :spy: :jumping: .

And to specifically answer your question. If you read my entire post you would see that I put this picture up as a reality check for the fanatsy portrayal of trump in the cartoon which I presented in the same post along with the picture I brought. I thought I made my motive clear by blatantly pointing it out.....I guess you missed it....

And to comment on your question....what bad points do you think I was pointing out with the picture? I think that only a very shallow person would consider the shape or condition of trump's body would be a point worth considering with respect to the presidency. I guess you must think that I am a very shallow person and think that trumps fat ass is a useful consideration when evaluating his fitness for the presidency.....are you then trying to reveal something you think is my bad point.....I could be wrong though, perhaps you have some other motive and I just can't see it.

Finally, have you actually considered trump through the lense of that sutta? I think you probably have......I think I understand why you have not commented on that which is really what my post with the sutta was all about but instead tried to turn the discussion to ME....but maybe I misunderstand you.

Seems like there are a few people here who really don't want to comment directly to trump vis a vis that sutta.
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:19 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:51 am
Greetings,
Chownah wrote:Sounds like you think that trump has some great goal in mind.
Well, yes, to Drain The Swamp in Washington DC.
Drain the swamp seems to be another trump lie....just like his statements that the tax reform would not benefit him......
Here's an article about the state of the swamp:
The ‘swamp’ in action: GOP advances coal lobbyist for EPA job
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... st-epa-job
This is not the only article that is out there which bears on the state of the swamp...it is just a convenient one to grab and put here.....maybe in the future I'll bring other ones.
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:02 pm

chownah wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:28 pm
retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:39 am
Greetings Chownah,

It's simply incongruous with actual events, IMO.

But if you wish to attribute such motives, I am not going to stop you, and I'm certainly not going to bother arguing with you about it.

Metta,
Paul. :)
First of all I am not attributing motives...I am looking for motives...and having looked at trumps life and questioning what could be motivating him what seems to be notable is that he seems to do everything to benefit himself first, his family second, and his rich friends third.....with damn little be done to benefit anyone else. If you or anyone else can bring something which might be interpreted otherwise I would be glad to see it.....but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. Just one example is the trump run foundation....if I remember it never had a very large amount of money and most if not all of did not come from trump or his family but other people and the money was often spent for thing that benefitted trump himself....a large portrait comes to mind...I would be glad if people brought references to how his foundation functioned....I'd be glad to be shown that I am wrong.
I could add a paragraph on his litigious past and how this is exactly how he is running his administration but perhaps I will present this another time....anyone else feel free to jump right in on this issue. Anyway, the idea is that if someone goes through life using pretty much the same value system for many decades then it seems a bit suspect if it seems that they have drastically changed in a short period of time....and it seems natural that one might look closely to see if the change is real or feigned.....one might look for a motive to make a real change and one might look for a motive to feign change.
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chownah
Well here is something about trump's litigious past....this article talks about this issue during the electoral process and tries to guess what it might mean for the presidency if he was elected (which he was). :
USA TODAY ANALYSIS FINDS 3,500 LEGAL ACTIONS BY AND AGAINST TRUMP, FIGHTING EVERYONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO THE VODKA MAKERS.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /84995854/
I know that usa today is not a very good reference but I don't think they are lieing about these facts.....if they are I hope someone brings another reference so that we can be informed.
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by alan » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:44 am

I hope there will not be another year. Because God Dam Trump is guilty as Hell. And he is a total disgrace to America.

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/5/17081954/s ... -interview

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Circle5 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:27 pm

Trump had a meeting with our president not long ago.



It went pretty well overall.

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