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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:47 pm

Greetings,
pulga wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm
When he views the parade I'd love the President to trick himself out in khaki or camouflage, if only to scare the beejeemees out of his critics.
His critics are so predictable and so easy to troll. Personally I suspect talk of a military parade is laying the groundwork for wedging the Democrats further towards extreme far left / beta positions regarding the Military as he so successfully did with Immigration... thereby enabling him to own the middle ground. When your opponent is so psychologically fixated on #resisting everything that you do, and desperately trying to paint you as far-right... it's very easy to camp in the sensible centre, and let them push themselves further and further left in opposition to you. Trump is smart enough to know the weaknesses of identity-based "progressivism" (read: socialism via iteration, rather than via revolution) and how to let its advocates make themselves look increasingly foolish and extreme.
Napoleon wrote:“Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Metta,
Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Justsit » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:55 pm

pulga wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm
When he views the parade I'd love the President to trick himself out in khaki or camouflage, if only to scare the beejeemees out of his critics.
It's pretty sad that's the level we've sunk to, when scaring critics is important on the President's agenda. How are we ever going to actually work together to solve our very real problems if we're acting like children?

The whole lot of them need to grow up.

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:28 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:47 pm
Greetings,
pulga wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm
When he views the parade I'd love the President to trick himself out in khaki or camouflage, if only to scare the beejeemees out of his critics.
His critics are so predictable and so easy to troll. Personally I suspect talk of a military parade is laying the groundwork for wedging the Democrats further towards extreme far left / beta positions regarding the Military as he so successfully did with Immigration... thereby enabling him to own the middle ground. When your opponent is so psychologically fixated on #resisting everything that you do, and desperately trying to paint you as far-right... it's very easy to camp in the sensible centre, and let them push themselves further and further left in opposition to you. Trump is smart enough to know the weaknesses of identity-based "progressivism" (read: socialism via iteration, rather than via revolution) and how to let its advocates make themselves look increasingly foolish and extreme.
Napoleon wrote:“Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Metta,
Paul. :)
So you're basically admitting that you enjoy trolling left wing posters???? Makes sense to me.
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:40 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:28 am
So you're basically admitting that you enjoy trolling left wing posters???? Makes sense to me.
That's not what I said, Lyndon. To clarify:

- Trump trolls them for strategic advantage, using their own aversion-filled mental rigidity about Trump against them... luring them into holding and advocating for increasingly extreme and deranged positions.

- I don't troll these people because I couldn't be bothered dealing with their insufferable whining. Believe me... seeing people perpetually triggered and being obliged to deal with them, is far from sukha.

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:53 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:40 am

- Trump trolls them for strategic advantage, using their own aversion-filled mental rigidity about Trump against them... luring them into holding and advocating for increasingly extreme and deranged positions.
:goodpost:
Absolutely he trolls them for strategic advantage...absolutely he does that. Any lie that gives him strategic advantage will be told. Trump is very smart about strategic advantage and he is really smart about people's willingness to accept deranged positions. This is called "identity politics". Why does trump troll his opposition?....because it helps him to forge his own following of people who are willing to accept whatever proposition he presents them no matter how deranged.

You've nailed it with this post of yours!
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 am

Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:53 am
Absolutely he trolls them for strategic advantage...absolutely he does that. Any lie that gives him strategic advantage will be told.
No, I never said he does it through lies.
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:“No one can resist the truth wrapped in a good joke, and ridicule is your most powerful weapon against the nannies and scolds of the left.”
Trump trolls leftists by exploiting their obsessions and psychological defence mechanisms and using them against them. Here's a great recent example of that....

Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome: Are Liberals Rooting Against America?

As you can see from the article, there's no lies required... just an update on America's recent successes. :)

That's all that it takes to get the Democrats to advocate for illegal aliens over American citizens. I mean, look what just happened! At the State of the Union address, the majority of Democrats didn't stand for the families of daughters murdered by MS-13, but Nancy Pelosi just stood 7 hours for illegal aliens.

:? :alien:

Even the New York Times draws attention to such ideological intolerance and the reactionary attitude towards that with which they vehemently disagree...
Dan Baquet, New York Times Executive Editor wrote:"The left, as a rule, does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement."
Rather, there is this aversion for alternative views, backed by an insatiable greed for government power. This is understandable, because unlike small-government conservatives and libertarians, their objectives can only be realised via state and federal enforcement, and they cannot achieve their socialist goals whilst they are not in power. Thus, when they're in the wilderness, they're really in the wilderness... and the resultant frustration, rooted deeply in greed, is clearly apparent, and ripe for being exploited by those with the wherewithal to do so.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by pulga » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:26 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:47 pm

His critics are so predictable and so easy to troll. Personally I suspect talk of a military parade is laying the groundwork for wedging the Democrats further towards extreme far left...
I think President Trump really does love his country, so it isn’t purely a tactical maneuver. He got the idea during his state visit to France last year. He was very impressed with their Bastille Day parade. We actually have a long history of military parades and I’m sure his base is thrilled with the idea. Most of us will tolerate it and as you said will be put off by the far left’s disgust and foreboding. The President is pretty sharp for someone lapsing into senility.
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:32 am

Greetings Pulga,
pulga wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:26 am
I think President Trump really does love his country, so it isn’t purely a tactical maneuver.
I agree. One of the benefits to Trump of the Left thinking that he is stupid, is that they think he thinks in the same linear one-dimensional manner that they do. This assumption he is stupid, or greedy, or whatever, blinds them to the full scope of whatever it is that he is doing.
pulga wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:26 am
I’m sure his base is thrilled with the idea. Most of us will tolerate it and as you said will be put off by the far left’s disgust and foreboding.
And this is a perfect demonstration of what I'm talking about. Trump manages to lure the Democrats to the extreme left, and by getting them to vacate the centre, he's ripe to pull off a sweep of the middle, as he did at the State of the Union.

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Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:56 am

pulga wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm
When he views the parade I'd love the President to trick himself out in khaki or camouflage, if only to scare the beejeemees out of his critics.
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"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:59 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 am
Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:53 am
Absolutely he trolls them for strategic advantage...absolutely he does that. Any lie that gives him strategic advantage will be told.
No, I never said he does it through lies.
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:“No one can resist the truth wrapped in a good joke, and ridicule is your most powerful weapon against the nannies and scolds of the left.”
Trump trolls leftists by exploiting their obsessions and psychological defence mechanisms and using them against them. Here's a great recent example of that....

Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome: Are Liberals Rooting Against America?

As you can see from the article, there's no lies required... just an update on America's recent successes. :)

That's all that it takes to get the Democrats to advocate for illegal aliens over American citizens. I mean, look what just happened! At the State of the Union address, the majority of Democrats didn't stand for the families of daughters murdered by MS-13, but Nancy Pelosi just stood 7 hours for illegal aliens.

:? :alien:

Even the New York Times draws attention to such ideological intolerance and the reactionary attitude towards that with which they vehemently disagree...
Dan Baquet, New York Times Executive Editor wrote:"The left, as a rule, does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement."
Rather, there is this aversion for alternative views, backed by an insatiable greed for government power. This is understandable, because unlike small-government conservatives and libertarians, their objectives can only be realised via state and federal enforcement, and they cannot achieve their socialist goals whilst they are not in power. Thus, when they're in the wilderness, they're really in the wilderness... and the resultant frustration, rooted deeply in greed, is clearly apparent, and ripe for being exploited by those with the wherewithal to do so.

Metta,
Paul. :)
:goodpost:
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:21 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 am
Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:53 am
Absolutely he trolls them for strategic advantage...absolutely he does that. Any lie that gives him strategic advantage will be told.
No, I never said he does it through lies.
I know you didn't say that.....you said that he trolls them for strategic advantage I think. I said that any lie that gives him strategic advantage will be told. I guess you have been in your political echo chamber for so long that when someone says something different from your expected echo that you get confused and don't seem to understand what this means....what it means is that someone else has said something different from what you have said.

Now, are you disputing what I said?....you seem to have completely ignored the meaning of what I posted in your confusion. :jumping:
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:56 am
pulga wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm
When he views the parade I'd love the President to trick himself out in khaki or camouflage, if only to scare the beejeemees out of his critics.
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Reality check:
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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:43 pm

Trump is the antithesis of what Buddhism stands for, no compassion, no wisdom, no right views, total evil IMHO How any Buddhist can support him is beyond me!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:02 pm

Not to mention Trump's raging ego; how Buddhist is that??
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Trump - One Year

Post by chownah » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:56 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:02 pm
Not to mention Trump's raging ego; how Buddhist is that??
I think the most valid way to view trump as informed by the suttas is by using:
AN 4.73
Sappurisa Sutta: A Person of Integrity
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu

I'm posting the entire sutta here....I think that for a buddhist forum this is the most valid ways to view trump.
"Monks, a person endowed with these four qualities can be known as 'a person of no integrity.' Which four?

"There is the case where a person of no integrity, when unasked, reveals another person's bad points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's bad points in full & in detail, without omission, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'

"Then again, a person of no integrity, when asked, does not reveal another person's good points, to say nothing of when unasked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's good points not in full, not in detail, with omissions, holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'

"Then again, a person of no integrity, when asked, does not reveal his own bad points, to say nothing of when unasked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of his own bad points not in full, not in detail, with omissions, holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'

"Then again, a person of no integrity, when unasked, reveals his own good points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of his own good points in full & in detail, without omissions, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of no integrity.'

"Monks, a person endowed with these four qualities can be known as 'a person of no integrity.'

"Now, a person endowed with these four qualities can be known as 'a person of integrity.' Which four?

"There is the case where a person of integrity, when asked, does not reveal another person's bad points, to say nothing of when unasked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's bad points not in full, not in detail, with omissions, holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'

"Then again, a person of integrity, when unasked, reveals another person's good points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's good points in full & in detail, without omissions, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'

"Then again, a person of integrity, when unasked, reveals his own bad points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of his own bad points in full & in detail, without omissions, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'

"Then again, a person of integrity, when asked, does not reveal his own good points, to say nothing of when unasked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of his own good points not in full, not in detail, with omissions, holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'

"Monks, a person endowed with these four qualities can be known as 'a person of integrity.'"
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