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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Alexander____ » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:16 am

Like a white supremacist.

Where's Brian Ruhe when you need him? He's the equivalent of Godwin's Law here no?

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Turmeric » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:21 am

Alexander____ wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:16 am
Like a white supremacist.

Where's Brian Ruhe when you need him? He's the equivalent of Godwin's Law here no?
When a white person talks about his own history in his own country he is a white supremacist? If my grandfather invents something, and I say my grandfather invented something, am i a supremacist? I don't even know what you two are talking about.

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:23 am

Turmeric wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:04 am
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:13 am
You talk like that, and you're calling the left wing the racists??? I don't think so!!
Talk like what?
Yeah, I don't know if you would consider yourself a white supremacist, but you use a lot of the same convoluted arguments that white supremacists have been using for ages.
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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Turmeric » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:18 am

lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:23 am
Turmeric wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:04 am
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:13 am
You talk like that, and you're calling the left wing the racists??? I don't think so!!
Talk like what?
Yeah, I don't know if you would consider yourself a white supremacist, but you use a lot of the same convoluted arguments that white supremacists have been using for ages.

Arguments for what though? For unity? Do white supremacists usually argue against groups that they consider to be racially segregating people? Am I a white supremacist for saying something good about a particular culture? Part of living alongside of other people in harmony is complimenting them, and their culture. This is how you create a sense of togetherness, and make friends. Do you know what videos trend in Southeast Asia on facebook, and get 50,000+ likes? Videos of American soldiers giving inspirational speeches. Do you know what farang did after the Thai king died? They gave their condolences, and offered comfort. This is how you create peace. Which is the opposite of what the radical leftists are doing, antagonizing people, insulting their ancestors, flicking them in the nose, and making the country go up in smoke. This is how you create mortal enemies, not friends.

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:29 am

No, the left stands up for the rights of the oppressed, at least the good left does, you can always find bad in every group, but under Trump oppression of minorities is getting worse, not better, oppression of the poor, much worse, and protection of the super rich, much stronger, is that really what you want to support??
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by chownah » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Turmeric wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:18 am
Do you know what videos trend in Southeast Asia on facebook, and get 50,000+ likes? Videos of American soldiers giving inspirational speeches.
I think you must live in some alternate universe southeast asia. On facebook in thailand (for instance) this video has 6.6 million views and 353,000+ likes:

chownah
edit: Also, there is a singer named Toon who just finished a marathon style run from the very most south point in thailand to the very most north point in thailand and his facebook page got 1,565,059 likes.

You're out of touch, man.
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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Turmeric » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:55 pm

chownah wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:28 pm
Turmeric wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:18 am
Do you know what videos trend in Southeast Asia on facebook, and get 50,000+ likes? Videos of American soldiers giving inspirational speeches.
I think you must live in some alternate universe southeast asia. On facebook in thailand (for instance) this video has 6.6 million views and 353,000+ likes:

chownah
edit: Also, there is a singer named Toon who just finished a marathon style run from the very most south point in thailand to the very most north point in thailand and his facebook page got 1,565,059 likes.

You're out of touch, man.
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Lol yeah I'm sure that is trending too. But the video im talking about was on one of my Thai friends facebook pages. It was a video with thai subs of an american soldier saying some pretty cool stuff. Was blowing up.

Edit: Oh yeah, I found it. It has 142k likes, 4.7 million views. Thai people know more about America than me. I don't even know who he is haha.


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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by chownah » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:11 pm

That's probably because the prime minister (doesn't he look just like jonathan winters when he was younger?) has ordered everyone in the military to "like" it. (I just made that up...right speech violation).

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Turmeric » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:33 pm

chownah wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:11 pm
That's probably because the prime minister (doesn't he look just like jonathan winters when he was younger?) has ordered everyone in the military to "like" it. (I just made that up...right speech violation).

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I see it :rofl:

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by Alexander____ » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:00 pm

Isn't the internet pretty highly censored in Thailand? Any inferences from what's posted on facebook can't be too strong to suggest political viewpoint.

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by paul » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:29 pm

Turmeric wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:57 am
And whites aren't declining into anything. As the sjws continue with their hate rhetoric against whites (which are 70% of the american population)
sjw= social justice warrior

The US is at the tipping point in 2020, so the effects will be starting to be increasingly felt from now on:
http://covenersleague.com/images/whitedeclinegraph.jpg
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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by manas » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:21 am

lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:29 am
No, the left stands up for the rights of the oppressed, at least the good left does, you can always find bad in every group, but under Trump oppression of minorities is getting worse, not better, oppression of the poor, much worse, and protection of the super rich, much stronger, is that really what you want to support??
Hello,
while I'm no fan of Trump, it would appear that people of colour (I think that's the current correct term, yes?) are actually doing better, than under Obama:
So far under Trump, median family incomes have risen by more than $1,000, according‎ to Sentier Research and based on Census Bureau numbers. These numbers are not broken down by race, but it's a pretty good bet that black incomes have risen with those of other races under Trump.

What about other metrics of black economic progress under Trump? It's early for sure, but we have some preliminary results since Election Day, when the stock market started its latest bull market run.

The black unemployment rate has fallen by a full percentage point in the last year, black labor force participation is up and the number of black Americans with a job has risen by 600,000 from last year. Preliminary data show black wages and incomes are up since the election. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html
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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 am

What rubbish, half of the people of colour are in danger of being deported, the government wants to legalize discrimination against LGBTs, and the Justice department is reducing its involvement in Civil Rights cases. Things couldn't be worse for minorities. It seems when ever I hear really ridiculous things about how good it is in America, it comes from people that don't even live in the country, and really have no idea of whats going on here.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:28 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 am
What rubbish, half of the people of colour are in danger of being deported
Are half of the "people of colour" illegal aliens? Because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones at risk of being deported.
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 am
the government wants to legalize discrimination against LGBTs
Do you have any evidence for this, or is it more unsubstantiated hysteria?
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 am
Things couldn't be worse for minorities.
Except that facts don't care about your feelings, and the facts paint a very different picture.
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 am
It seems when ever I hear really ridiculous things about how good it is in America, it comes from people that don't even live in the country, and really have no idea of whats going on here.
You may be interested to know that in the U.S. "people of colour" are starting to re-evaluate Trump, one year in... (source)
Among African Americans and Hispanics, reactions to Trump depend more on gender than age or education. In every age group, and at every level of education, about twice as many African American men as women gave Trump positive marks. In all, 23 percent of black men approved of Trump’s performance versus 11 percent of black women. “The outlier here isn’t [black] men … it’s [black] women, where you have near-universal disapproval of Trump,” said Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster who studies African American voters. Still, black men are one of the few groups for which Trump’s 2017 average approval rating significantly exceeds his 2016 vote share.
They must be enjoying the improved unemployment rate and family incomes.

It's very interesting how the best unemployment figures for the black community ever, happen under President Trump.

Possibly... just maybe... it's because he treats them like "people" and not like "minorities"?

:shrug:

When you do that, it's amazing how many problems simply start taking care of themselves. You know, just treating "citizens as citizens", like how here at Dhamma Wheel, we treat "members as members" and don't divide them up by gender, race, sexuality etc. for political advantage.

Either way, it's working, and further proof that modern segregation stems from the left, moreso than the right.

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 am

You just don't understand America, Retro, my statements are taken directly from headline news over here, news you probably not aware of, and its not fake news, the rise in income is for the top ten percent, not the bottom 90%, its just an average, some billionaire makes a million more and that translates to an average raise for everyone even though only the billionaire gets the raise.
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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:08 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 am
... its not fake news, the rise in income is for the top ten percent, not the bottom 90%, ...
If that's what you're being told, I hate to tell you that you're being fed fake news.

Trump’s Tax Reform Will Benefit Middle Class More Than Wealthy

And that's to say nothing of the radical improvements to people's 401K balances.

But all this talk of Trump the Wheel Turning Emperor's glorious achievements are probably suited to another topic.

Here, in this topic, it's sufficient to say that Trump treats minorities first and foremost as "citizens" rather than as "minorities", and treated as such, minority groups in the US have prosperity, and the potential for prosperity, like never before.

Unlike Democrats, and unlike the post-modern Left, the market does not discriminate, and Trump champions market forces like no president since (and possibly beyond) Ronald Reagan.

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"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:12 am

And this is your version of "right view"??? The market does not discriminate???? I bet the concept of wealth inequality is just more fake news to you.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Post by retrofuturist » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:18 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:12 am
And this is your version of "right view"??? The market does not discriminate????
Yes, Right View is about speaking that which is true. If you need any proof that the opposite of markets is a cause of great suffering, I refer you to Will's classic "Victims of Communism" topic.
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I bet the concept of wealth inequality is just more fake news to you.
No, but the Left's identity-based neo-Communism is not the answer to that problem, as Obama's castrated, regulation-ridden, 8 year economic reign of mismanagement shows. Remember when he said that Trump didn't have a magic wand that would bring jobs back? Hilarious.

Now, at this point, since you seem to have no interest in the subject of segregationism, I must insist you take your hatred of Trump to another topic where it's more on topic.

Thank you Lyndon.

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:34 am

Well on the subject of segregationism, I live in a very segregated country, we have hispanic neighbourhoods, black neighbourhoods, and most of the wealthy neighbourhoods, mostly white, with a sprinkling of upper mobile blacks, hispanics and Asians, these are the ones benefitting from the Trump economy. A working man like myself, running my own business, is seeing less customers and making less money ever since Trump entered the scene.

As almost every American is aware, people on the right are much more likely to be racist, than people on the left. Its not that there are no racist left wing people and its not that there are no right wing people that are not racist, but on average the right is more racist. How does that racism pan out, in supporting segregation, segregation of schools, segregation of housing, these are not things supported by the left wing.

Let me give you an example, My town is split down the middle pretty much by the freeway, poorer overwhelmingly hispanic neighborhood on one side, mostly white peopel and the rich houses on the other side. We had one high school, it was getting crowded, they needed a second high school so what did they do, they made a new high school and divided the students right along the freeway, so that the hispanic students had to go to the new high school, and the whites could have there old highschool back to themselves. That's segregtion, pure and simple, and it was put into place by the right wing white city council of my town, not the left wing.

The idea that the left is the party of segregation is blatant fake news distractionism, it is made up and does not exist in the real world I live in.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Americas new segregationists are on the left.

Post by chownah » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:38 am

manas wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:21 am
lyndon taylor wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:29 am
No, the left stands up for the rights of the oppressed, at least the good left does, you can always find bad in every group, but under Trump oppression of minorities is getting worse, not better, oppression of the poor, much worse, and protection of the super rich, much stronger, is that really what you want to support??
Hello,
while I'm no fan of Trump, it would appear that people of colour (I think that's the current correct term, yes?) are actually doing better, than under Obama:
So far under Trump, median family incomes have risen by more than $1,000, according‎ to Sentier Research and based on Census Bureau numbers. These numbers are not broken down by race, but it's a pretty good bet that black incomes have risen with those of other races under Trump.

What about other metrics of black economic progress under Trump? It's early for sure, but we have some preliminary results since Election Day, when the stock market started its latest bull market run.

The black unemployment rate has fallen by a full percentage point in the last year, black labor force participation is up and the number of black Americans with a job has risen by 600,000 from last year. Preliminary data show black wages and incomes are up since the election. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html
Did you notice that the author of the article is a representative of the Heritage Foundation which is "A research and educational institution whose mission is to build and promote conservative public policies, based in Washington, D.C" If you check them out I think you will see that their political bias strongly colors pretty much everything they do. Did you notice that the article says that to solve the problem that many blacks can not affort to go to university that the solution is to give them a technical education...I couldn't believe that this was put forward as some kind of progressive policy!

Here is another opinion about trump's claims and some data on jobs rates etc.:
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/57655202 ... -hispanics
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